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Old 28-06-2006   #31
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Re: Traffic Offences & Legal Guide

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i got a letter through the post 3 months ago saying i was doing 41 in a 30 caught by one of them mobile vans, i have not done anything about the letter and if they send me another one ill say i aint got the first one n just pay but, is there anything i can do like any loopholes? Anything i can say to get out of it i dont mind paying its just the points as i loose my license if i get the points, please help anybody

shouldnt speed then

only loophole is if they get the road name wrong, or say u wasnt driving, or if they dont contact you within 14 days or summin
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Quote Originally Posted by gaz_wrexham
a magistrate working with my dad got done at 32mph in a 30 zone - putting it polietly she wasnt happy
32 in a 30 isnt illegal is it? You dont get done from speed cameras if you do 32...
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32 in a 30 isnt illegal is it? You dont get done from speed cameras if you do 32...
Technically 30.00001 is wrong. but for the cameras sake they are normally set to 10% diference +2MPH so a 30 limit the min you should be prosicued with is 35.01
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Re: Traffic Offences & Legal Guide

my theory is just dont speed.

but saying that i just bought Lolita (my sei) and she seems to be unhappy at doing less then 50mph

i stick to the just under the speed limits generally without question. then i know i aint done nowt wrong

it was so much easier to be good when i had my suzuki on the road (she's waiting for a new engine to be dropped in...). she was still nippy (due to light weight and rear wheel drive whilst in 2wheel drive mode) but slowed in acceleration after 35mph.
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I'm sure getting pulled a lot of the time depends on what mood the cop is in... if they "feel" you are being a risk by doing 74mph then they will pull you was the person fined and given points?
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ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) guidelines state to allow 10% plus 2m.p.h. over speed limits. The 10% is to allow for speedo inaccuracy and the 2m.p.h. for driver inaccuracy. This would allow for 35 in a 30 limit, 46 in a 40 limit 57 in a 50 limit etc. The question is, if you are doing 57 in a 50 limit, how do you know your speedo is accurate. It could be reading slow. If seen speeding by a Police Officer, he is likely to take into account the overall circumstances of the offence, such as weight of traffic, weather conditions, and how aggressively you are driving than simply your speed. If you are stopped by him (her) then again, how you react to that will be indicative of any other offences such as insurance, M.O.T. and posession of a licence. The various Safety Camera Partnerships that operate many of the mobile cameras may have different parameters. Golden Rule? Keep to the limits in built-up areas and "Drive at a speed appropriate to road and trafic conditions out of them"
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Officially if anyone drives at any speed above the legal limit they can be prosecuted for speeding. Under the Construction and Use regulations every vehicle must be fitted with a speedometer and it must be accurate to within 10% of the speed shown. So technically it is possible to defend any speeding charge of between say 30-33 mph in a 30 mph limit by relying on the 10% accuracy exemption. Most Police Forces will not prosecute within the 10% range of the posted limit. The suggestion that the prosecution limit is 10% + 2 or 3 or 4 mph above the posted limit is merely an urban myth.

In Scotland the police are given guidelines which determines the lower speed threshold for prosecution. The only thing that may alter the threshold for prosecution is the location where the offence is committed, i.e. near a school or similar. In England and Wales I believe the prosecution limits are decided by each local Force depending on the location. Obviously the easiest way to avoid the problem is keep under the limit.
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It seems to me that there is really no hard and fast rule about whether to ticket or not at certain percentages above the posted speed limit.

I've had one speeding ticket in 40 years...and I was driving my wife's Mitsubishi for the first time. The speedometer is strangely made, and what I was sure was 55 mph turned out to be 70 mph. I had to take my glasses off and squint at the numbers to see that problem.

Of course, it was way out in the country, on a straight road with no cross traffic (in fact, the only car I saw for quite a while was Officer Doogie Houser) so the limit should have been much more than 55 anyway.

I do have a speedometer problem with my vintage Volvo PV544. It has one of those 'ribbon' type indicators that comes to a point, and to this day I still don't know which part of the indicator to read. Is it the little tip of the ribbon, or somewhere along the slant where the ribbon gets larger? There is a 10MPH range in that section...but it's really a moot point because I can't see the speedometer anyway!

The only sure way to check a speedometer (outside of timing your travel between road markers) is to set a GPS on the dash and keep comparing it to the speedometer reading.
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Personal experience of operating the LTI 50/50 speed detector/camera is that we always used a rigid tripod and calibrated them every time before we went out and recorded the results in a log book and our pocket notebooks, which are evidential and can be produced in court. It's vital that an Officer retains the power of discretion. For example, I never used the detector on motorcycles as I have never been convinced the small frontal area and irregular shape gives an accurate reading. Unfortunately, fixed cameras have no power of discretion whereas a Bobby can look at all the circumstances and may well decide a warning is in order. Don't forget though that most traffic cops have a memory like and elephant and having been let off with a warning once, will feel let down if they see you doing it again and nick you the next time. Never forget that they are the ones who have to pick up the pieces and turn up on your doorstep to give the bad news to your family.
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good site be carefull though mom told me other day a family friend got pints for doing 74 mph on mortorway
Hehehe how many pints did they get, im gonna speed all the time if we get free pints now, only kiddin m8, 74 on a motorway strange cops must have been on a bonus scheme that day.
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When I done my test back in 2005, you ARE allowed within 10% of the speed limit, any more is classed as a major and you fail.

So.......33mph in a 30mph zone would give you only a minor!

As far as I remember.....

Note to self (and all): Dont try it when the police are behind you!

And you have to wait 4 years for 3 points to come off and pay £22 for you license to be wiped!

Theres beer-bellied Brownies scams again!

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Re: Traffic Offences & Legal Guide

That 10% is all bull. It's all down to the copper. Simple as, but usually the case now....traffic cops don't have a good cell in their body

Although the other week I was going round a bend on the A1 at about 95 and there was a Scooby marked police car, parked on the hard shoulder. Didn't even move. (Probably cos after I'd finished braking after seeing him i was doing about 10mph)
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That 10% is all bull. It's all down to the copper. Simple as, but usually the case now....traffic cops don't have a good cell in their body
http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/faq.html

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she could have argued her case gaz.as speedo's aren't callibrated when they leave factory they have to give you 10percent +.if they do you at 32mph especially if you are in a new car you could argue that it's the manufactures fault for putting faulty equipment in the car hence the 10% plus.know this because i spent days on sites reading about the allowed speeds and court cases because i thought i'd been done by a mobile camera
mad4it, with respect that's junk.

You don't "know this" coz it aint so.

the BBC reported a case when a motorist was successfully prosecuted for doing 32mph in a 30mph zone in Manchester.

Speed limits are the limits and the authorities only need round-down their measure of a vehicle's speed to the nearest mph. The manufacturer's generally make their speedomoters over-read specifically to ensure they don't under-read.

The 10% 'rule' is notin more than an old guide. Some areas still use it but they dont have to.
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Just a quick question, can a cop get you done if theyr moving and on the other side of the road or do they have to be stationary. i mean like a fine and all that jaz through the post not stop ya
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