Indeed - so what was the actual speed on the speeding notice? Did it say 43mph? If that was the case, I would have got myself a solicitor and gone to court with it.

Stuart DemonD said:

Indeed - so what was the actual speed on the speeding notice? Did it say 43mph? If that was the case, I would have got myself a solicitor and gone to court with it.

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yea it said 43, and i aint lying, ad put my car n hus on it, but i d'dnt know at the time and paid it so that makes it final, wish i had knew that at the time, i thot maybe it was becos i hav been caught b4 .....

jaysenysen said:

yea it said 43, and i aint lying, ad put my car n hus on it, but i d'dnt know at the time and paid it so that makes it final, wish i had knew that at the time, i thot maybe it was becos i hav been caught b4 .....

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Umm can I have that in english please?

H2DaE said:

I use the TomTom to check my speed And when my speedo says I'm doing 33 I'm actually doing 30 (77 is actually 70 ), which is good

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you must remember theres a couple of seconds lag for the GPS signal to hit the satillites and its not spot on

gaz

The Negotiator said:

lol....given that I believe the minimum they can "do you for" is 10% + 1-3mph normally I find that difficult to believe or has that changed?

I now know that when doing 33mph in my Laguna I am doing 30mph. 77 does me 70mph.

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THE LAW IS THE LAW!!! At even 0.01mph over you are being a criminal.

Its all down to discretion

Trancendental said:

THE LAW IS THE LAW!!! At even 0.01mph over you are being a criminal.

Its all down to discretion

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yep and that depends on how much over, conditions at time (visibility, rain etc) and attitude of "offender"

Couple of points about the leeway the police give drivers who are over the legal limit. The '10 % plus 2mph' thing comes from ACPO itself, and although doing even 1 Mph over the limit is an offence (it's a legal limit and not a target and all that) to be done for genuinely going just over the limit you would have to be doing something else pretty bad as well. Also this leeway is nowt to do with making an allowance for the accuracy of speedos as by law no speedo may under read the true speed, with speedos being designed so that any error always shows as an over read of the true speed. This means that some numpty who is daft/inattentive enough to get caught by a camera and nicked in a 30 limit might well have been driving at an indicated 40 Mph!

I sometimes think that manufacturers quite like this 'thy shalt not under read the true speed' thing as it makes their cars look faster than they really are (and perhaps flatters the fuel consumption figures too). Perhaps speedos are more accurate nowadays but back in the old days I had a doggy old motorbike that did 70 flat out but at this speed indicated anything up to 90. Biggest joke of all was that the speedo went all the way round to 140 Mph!

I thought it had to be a certain percentage over the speed limit
so i thought it was 10%, less than 10% you cant get done!
70mph you cant go anymore than 77%

the easiest to avoid this is not to speed

i got a letter through the post 3 months ago saying i was doing 41 in a 30 caught by one of them mobile vans, i have not done anything about the letter and if they send me another one ill say i aint got the first one n just pay but, is there anything i can do like any loopholes? Anything i can say to get out of it i dont mind paying its just the points as i loose my license if i get the points, please help anybody

BlackleR said:

i got a letter through the post 3 months ago saying i was doing 41 in a 30 caught by one of them mobile vans, i have not done anything about the letter and if they send me another one ill say i aint got the first one n just pay but, is there anything i can do like any loopholes? Anything i can say to get out of it i dont mind paying its just the points as i loose my license if i get the points, please help anybody

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shouldnt speed then

only loophole is if they get the road name wrong, or say u wasnt driving, or if they dont contact you within 14 days or summin

gaz_wrexham said:

a magistrate working with my dad got done at 32mph in a 30 zone - putting it polietly she wasnt happy

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32 in a 30 isnt illegal is it? You dont get done from speed cameras if you do 32...

SamG_Marea said:

32 in a 30 isnt illegal is it? You dont get done from speed cameras if you do 32...

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Technically 30.00001 is wrong. but for the cameras sake they are normally set to 10% diference +2MPH so a 30 limit the min you should be prosicued with is 35.01

my theory is just dont speed.

but saying that i just bought Lolita (my sei) and she seems to be unhappy at doing less then 50mph

i stick to the just under the speed limits generally without question. then i know i aint done nowt wrong

it was so much easier to be good when i had my suzuki on the road (she's waiting for a new engine to be dropped in...). she was still nippy (due to light weight and rear wheel drive whilst in 2wheel drive mode) but slowed in acceleration after 35mph.

I'm sure getting pulled a lot of the time depends on what mood the cop is in... if they "feel" you are being a risk by doing 74mph then they will pull you was the person fined and given points?

ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) guidelines state to allow 10% plus 2m.p.h. over speed limits. The 10% is to allow for speedo inaccuracy and the 2m.p.h. for driver inaccuracy. This would allow for 35 in a 30 limit, 46 in a 40 limit 57 in a 50 limit etc. The question is, if you are doing 57 in a 50 limit, how do you know your speedo is accurate. It could be reading slow. If seen speeding by a Police Officer, he is likely to take into account the overall circumstances of the offence, such as weight of traffic, weather conditions, and how aggressively you are driving than simply your speed. If you are stopped by him (her) then again, how you react to that will be indicative of any other offences such as insurance, M.O.T. and posession of a licence. The various Safety Camera Partnerships that operate many of the mobile cameras may have different parameters. Golden Rule? Keep to the limits in built-up areas and "Drive at a speed appropriate to road and trafic conditions out of them"

Officially if anyone drives at any speed above the legal limit they can be prosecuted for speeding. Under the Construction and Use regulations every vehicle must be fitted with a speedometer and it must be accurate to within 10% of the speed shown. So technically it is possible to defend any speeding charge of between say 30-33 mph in a 30 mph limit by relying on the 10% accuracy exemption. Most Police Forces will not prosecute within the 10% range of the posted limit. The suggestion that the prosecution limit is 10% + 2 or 3 or 4 mph above the posted limit is merely an urban myth.

In Scotland the police are given guidelines which determines the lower speed threshold for prosecution. The only thing that may alter the threshold for prosecution is the location where the offence is committed, i.e. near a school or similar. In England and Wales I believe the prosecution limits are decided by each local Force depending on the location. Obviously the easiest way to avoid the problem is keep under the limit.

It seems to me that there is really no hard and fast rule about whether to ticket or not at certain percentages above the posted speed limit.

I've had one speeding ticket in 40 years...and I was driving my wife's Mitsubishi for the first time. The speedometer is strangely made, and what I was sure was 55 mph turned out to be 70 mph. I had to take my glasses off and squint at the numbers to see that problem.

Of course, it was way out in the country, on a straight road with no cross traffic (in fact, the only car I saw for quite a while was Officer Doogie Houser) so the limit should have been much more than 55 anyway.

I do have a speedometer problem with my vintage Volvo PV544. It has one of those 'ribbon' type indicators that comes to a point, and to this day I still don't know which part of the indicator to read. Is it the little tip of the ribbon, or somewhere along the slant where the ribbon gets larger? There is a 10MPH range in that section...but it's really a moot point because I can't see the speedometer anyway!

The only sure way to check a speedometer (outside of timing your travel between road markers) is to set a GPS on the dash and keep comparing it to the speedometer reading.

Personal experience of operating the LTI 50/50 speed detector/camera is that we always used a rigid tripod and calibrated them every time before we went out and recorded the results in a log book and our pocket notebooks, which are evidential and can be produced in court. It's vital that an Officer retains the power of discretion. For example, I never used the detector on motorcycles as I have never been convinced the small frontal area and irregular shape gives an accurate reading. Unfortunately, fixed cameras have no power of discretion whereas a Bobby can look at all the circumstances and may well decide a warning is in order. Don't forget though that most traffic cops have a memory like and elephant and having been let off with a warning once, will feel let down if they see you doing it again and nick you the next time. Never forget that they are the ones who have to pick up the pieces and turn up on your doorstep to give the bad news to your family.

PandaPerson said:

good site be carefull though mom told me other day a family friend got pints for doing 74 mph on mortorway

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Hehehe how many pints did they get, im gonna speed all the time if we get free pints now, only kiddin m8, 74 on a motorway strange cops must have been on a bonus scheme that day.