Car insurance is nothing more than a legalised method of scamming

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Car insurance is nothing more than a legalised method of scamming

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Hi everyone, I haven't been around this neck of the woods for a long time, but I need the help of the wonderful community I miss.

I have bought a 2006 Vauxhall Signum 1.9 CDTI, which has the same engine as the one in many of the fiats (its a fiat engine at the end of the day!). Using comparison websites, and being at truthful as I can, im getting quotes between 800 and 1200. Similar quotes for the same companies across the different sites.

If you keep searching for new quotes, you will literally keep getting different prices every single time. There is no science to it, no logic to it, just purely random numbers thrown at you. Definition of scamming.

Anyway, I don't want to really rant. I chose the cheapest quote which was with Octagon, went through with everything, put in my financial details, then.......... got a message that they could not process my payment till I called them. So I did, and then they started asking for a whole bunch of documents which I do not have, so I though ****** that, I'll go with the next quote, which was over 100 dearer at 910.

Company called Right Choice, and again went through everything, put in my financial details, and this time all was well. Even the money was taken from my account. I got an email confirming, and stating that a member of staff will contact me shortly to confirm.

Fair enough I thought, so indeed, shortly after I did get a call and the bloke started going through every single question again which I thought was rather odd, then at the end he said that the system is now giving him a screen price so he will have to confirm with the underwriters (what a pointless job that is!). All this seemed rather strange as I thought I was given a quote online which I accepted and paid for?

4 hours later I get a call saying that the guy has been busy calling all the underwriters and unfortunately none of them are giving prices lower than 1200, with most coming in at 1800.

Now here is the issue that is getting them all worked up. In 2006 I bought a 1.9 JTD Fiat stilo, with the same 120 8v engine as the Vauxhalls have. I was a student at the time and got it insured with Ensleigh for 1 year at 900 then with Chris Knotts then next with modifications at 750 odd. So thats 2 years NCD there. Then, mid 2008 I left the UK and went and worked for the British Embassy in Cairo Egypt. Since over 2 years have passed till now, I lost my NCD. Fair enough I though and was happy to pay quotes around 800 - 900 despite them being dearer than when I was a student with a modified car.

I am 27 and have had my license for 9 years. I have been driving for all of them. Yes I left the country for a bit, but that doesn't make me any worse a driver nor does it mean I'm a significantly higher risk.

What the guy said to me when he called me again was that all underwrites were expecting that if I did not have insurance since 2008 in my name, then I was a named driver on another policy and they would want to see proof of that to give me the quotes, and that would still be dearer at 1200. If I haven't been a named driver for that period then they dont want to touch me for less than 2000.

All of this proves that insurance is nothing more than a legalised scam and companies can do whatever the hell they like to rid you of your money.

I am very depressed and dont know what to do. If this will be the situation then I would not be able to afford insurance ever and will have to sell the signum and go car-less till someone decides that the insurance industry needs to be reformed.

Any advice?
 
Despite your location showing as Egypt, I assume you are back in the UK.

Insurance is compulsory to protect anyone you hit, or their property. Unlike the US, I think payouts are limited for personal injury, but I think the cap is £2million. That's for each person you might hit. So if you stray off the road into a bus queue, hitting six people, and injure your 3 passengers, that's a potential £18million payout, plus the cost of the bus shelter. £2000 is suddenly quite cheap. I think you are accusing the industry unfairly.

Insurance companies base premiums on risk. Risk is assessed from lots of factors, including age, experience, claim history, location, car size/performance and claim history on that model of car. Having been away, there is a hole in your history that they want explained. If while away you had insurance in Egypt, either your own or company, evidence from them of claim free will help your case. The online system will only cope with simple circumstances.

I spent 4 years without a car of my own, just having the driving school car. When I got the Panda I had to negotiate hard to get a proper price.

Have you tried Chris Knott, see the traders section. To get the best price you will have to use the phone, not the internet. Local brokers may be able to help, face-to-face should help. Or maybe a smaller car?
 
All of this proves that insurance is nothing more than a legalised scam and companies can do whatever the hell they like to rid you of your money.

No it doesn't, all it proves is you're going for the cheapest nastiest insurance available, and unfortunately that comes at the cost of being mucked about (and probably getting rubbish levels of cover also).

Shop about with proper insurance companies, not insurance aggregators (comparison websites) and you should start getting prices for cover worth the paper they're written on.

You no UK insurance history for over 2 years, hence some of the prices you're getting. Try some of the bigger insurers, some may take into account your overseas driving history.
 
Insurance started as a form of gambling...suppose it still is to some extent...

(As some of my posts may suggest, I'm not a fan of the way insurance companies do business either)
 
I don't think insurance is a scam as such but I do believe its a rip off at times. Being cheaper doesn't always mean its the best deal for you. You need to read the small print and see what it covers.

Im with allianz and have been for the last few years now. They wasn't the cheapest but their basic fully comp cover for my punto was £273. This is just for soical, pleasure and driving too and from work. But with allianz you have a long list of extras to choose from.

On top of this I pay £44 extra to drive other cars, £6 for window cover and £14 for paper documents which comes too a grand total £337 a year. Not too bad on a brand punto.

It becomes a rip off when you move house, I know of people who have moved a few streets away and their insurance has jumped up 50% etc... plus I feel sorry for young people these days as well.
 
Chris Knotts have been trying to sort out something through the ever helpful Nick, but unfortunately they can't get below 1400.

Adrian Flux got me 1800 with an excess of.......................3000!!! Utterly useless!
 
Insurance providers are not all the same. Anyone looking for a sensible approach should call us under the club scheme.



I agree, they are not the same, some are a down right con. But I always say read the small print e.g about driving other cars...


I need to say people I know are under the impression that driving with fully comp insurance entitles you to drive other cars, which isn't really true. Well I been with 5 different companies in the last 10 years and my last 4 insurance company's have always charged extra for me to drive other cars. That's why I won't let anyone else drive my car. So chris knott do you allow drivers with fully comp to drive other cars ? or is that a extra for you too.
 
As the govt mandates having car insurance, there should be a basic, nationalised third party cover scheme. This would make companies more competitive with their comprehensive policies.

There's another discussion about this horrible industry over here
 
As the govt mandates having car insurance, there should be a basic, nationalised third party cover scheme. This would make companies more competitive with their comprehensive policies.



There's another discussion about this horrible industry over here


All that discussion shows is a lot of people who think they know how the system works but really haven't a clue. For that reason you could explain it to them over and over again until black and blue in the face and they still wouldn't accept or understand it.
 
I don't think insurance is a scam as such but I do believe its a rip off at times. Being cheaper doesn't always mean its the best deal for you. You need to read the small print and see what it covers.

Im with allianz and have been for the last few years now. They wasn't the cheapest but their basic fully comp cover for my punto was £273. This is just for soical, pleasure and driving too and from work. But with allianz you have a long list of extras to choose from.

On top of this I pay £44 extra to drive other cars, £6 for window cover and £14 for paper documents which comes too a grand total £337 a year. Not too bad on a brand punto.

It becomes a rip off when you move house, I know of people who have moved a few streets away and their insurance has jumped up 50% etc... plus I feel sorry for young people these days as well.
The scam is this: if I had stayed with the insurer I had 5 years ago and accepted their renewal quote each year I would be paying twice the amount for exactly the same level of cover that I can get for £177 fully comp on my 2006 1.4 Stilo. How does any company justify this sort of behaviour and why is it not illegal?
 
The scam is this: if I had stayed with the insurer I had 5 years ago and accepted their renewal quote each year I would be paying twice the amount for exactly the same level of cover that I can get for £177 fully comp on my 2006 1.4 Stilo. How does any company justify this sort of behaviour and why is it not illegal?

It's not illegal for the same reason it isn't illegal for M&S to charge 3 time more for the same product you can get in Lidl. It's call competition, and don't assume you'll be getting exactly the same cover for the price, although its not impossible very few insurers have identical cover.
 
I think the actual answer to this here is

A - Suck it up, we have to have it, we cant fight it, Get a decent quote and get it done

i havent left Churchill since i started driving, a well known company who have been cheapest for the level of cover i get!

B - Dont leave the country and expect it to be the same when you come back

Ziggy
 
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