Right so I went to the shop to pick out some front speakers and a sub both of which were going to be amped up.

the guy in the shop said tbh i wouldn't bother with a sub just get 6x9" and amp your front speakers.

Now obviously i know a subs gonna give a more meatier bass.

But what I'm after is a high quality bassy sound rather than a lot of noise. I was also a bit worried about rattling caus as I know only to well punto's aren't the sturdiest of cars.

I would love to hear opinions on this matter.

Thanks

I have a suggestion but it's usually frowned upon by the ICE boys.

LOL at the shop, why on earth would 6x9's have any sort of quality lol.
What sort of budget do you have. I presume that it is a MK2 Punto. And how much effort are you prepared to put in/skills do you have.

I've had a mk1, mk2 and mk2b all with a sub, had the rear veiw shaking until you couldn't see out of it and still had no rattles........whoever told you about the rattling must just have had a loose panel.

As for the sub / 6x9 argument, sub wins everytime. You said you wanted high quality bass instead of a load of noise. Well your front comps will keep the quality and give some nice mid range bass, the sub will just reinforce it.

Hmm..

I started typing out that I'd rather have a sub and two tiny speakers in the front, rather than no sub, however, my 6x9's seem to be able to pump out a good ammount of bass anyway.

I have 2x4" speakers in the dashboard, 2x 6x9s in the parcel shelf and a 12" sub in the boot.

Ucof said:

Hmm..

I started typing out that I'd rather have a sub and two tiny speakers in the front, rather than no sub, however, my 6x9's seem to be able to pump out a good ammount of bass anyway.

I have 2x4" speakers in the dashboard, 2x 6x9s in the parcel shelf and a 12" sub in the boot.

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So your 6x9's are loose air (meaning they have no enclosure) and your sub moves air in your boot space.......give it a month or two and your sub will cause your 6x9's to burst. Having both together doesn't work if you they are not BOTH enclosed.

A sub is better than a pair of 6x9's because the purpose of a sub is bass, and components is sound quality.....this means they are independantly doing a particualar job.

A pair of 6x9's trys to use both HPF and LPF, in effect trying to provide bass and sound quality at the same time.

Surely using drivers that are built for purpose is better than using some cheap 6x9's that try to be universal?

Thanks guys for your response, tbh I'm pretty sold on a sub and good components, need a bit more convincing on 6x9s. (no offence )

volxstu said:

LOL at the shop, why on earth would 6x9's have any sort of quality lol.
What sort of budget do you have. I presume that it is a MK2 Punto. And how much effort are you prepared to put in/skills do you have.

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yeh its a mk2. as for skills i haven't done any ICE before but I'm pretty able/determined and willing to put in a lot of effort.
As for budget probably looking to spend around £300 but could stretch if it would really be worth my while.
What did you have in mind?

Well there is very little clearance in the MK2 so i would build a baffle and pull the speakers out a little so you have more choice of front speaker side of things.

Rear speakers ruin the whole sound stage. If you have mid and treble coming from the rear then it will ruin the fact that you are trying to make it sound like it is coming from the bonnet. And if you are trying to go for quality then you will have no chance of trying to tie the bass from the sub in the rear to the midbass at the front. Basically it will need to blend properly.

Also when small speakers share air space with a sub the air movement will push the cones up and they will burn out.

Rattles are easy to deal with, its just a matter of placing foam in the right places.

So now to suggestions.

I have just seen these if you can get them under £100 you will have your self an absolute bargain.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cdt-Audio-CL-...c0bc2838f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_2847wt_1167

This is a very good deal. I personally use DLS. This is actually pretty amazing for the money and pretty much has everything. From sound deadening to wiring.
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/dls-sq-system-pack.html

Ok now im just randomly post things that i want lol. But at least i might get the idea of the sort of thing you are after.
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/cerwin-vega-vmax-104.html

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/jl-audio-10w3v3.html

Also another very good deal.
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/7070.html

This is a little louder than the other suggestions.
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/jbl-p1022.html

I've heard good things about those rainbow components. very tempted.

Rear speakers ruin the whole sound stage

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- a worrying comment.
Where have you installed your sub?

Also about fitting tweeters, where's the best place for them? I've had a look under the wing mirror panel where the standard ones are and can't see how they'll fit in there.

EDIT: Found out about the tweeters now using the power of the search button although opinions are still welcome.

This is why i follow on and say about having Mid and Treble from the rear. Sorry my descriptions are a bit vague as i am no SQ Fairy by a long way.
If all of what i follow go's in one ear and out the other this is the statement that i would listen too as i comment on how the staging and set up can lesson the effect off a big boom boom from behind you so you get a nice smooth transition of all sound images.

As for tweeters this is part of the reason why i ask how much effort you are willing to put in. As what you should really do is place them in various places and angle them in different directions until you get a sound that is difficult to tell whee it is coming from.
I.e you dont just get a load of treble from the side that you are siting on. If done half correctly you should be able to shut your eyes and not be able to pin point the sound. Instead you should think that it is coming from somewhere near the front of the dash or if you really have skills the bonnet.

Obviously this is all what the mad competition SQ fairy boys do and i very much doubt that is what your intentions are but im hoping that by explaining how staging etc works that at least some of it will rub off on you.

Remember the saying 20% Equipment 80% Installation.

natemkii said:

I've heard good things about those rainbow components. very tempted.

- a worrying comment.
Where have you installed your sub?

Also about fitting tweeters, where's the best place for them? I've had a look under the wing mirror panel where the standard ones are and can't see how they'll fit in there.

EDIT: Found out about the tweeters now using the power of the search button although opinions are still welcome.

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they are fantastic, i got rainbows in the front, expensive but sound superb, and get better with use too.....

Wow if an ice shop reccomended 6x9s to me over a sub i would be straight out.

smokeyjoe03 said:

So your 6x9's are loose air (meaning they have no enclosure) and your sub moves air in your boot space.......give it a month or two and your sub will cause your 6x9's to burst. Having both together doesn't work if you they are not BOTH enclosed.

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Apart from the fact that my boot isn't even nearly air tight so the displaced air can easily move into and out of the boot as needed, and thus not causing any problems

Ucof said:

Apart from the fact that my boot isn't even nearly air tight so the displaced air can easily move into and out of the boot as needed, and thus not causing any problems

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Yeah but 6 walls is enough, a couple of small gaps isnt going to make much difference. TBH how do you know that they are fine anyway. Go have a push of the speaker cone and see if it is starting to scratch.

Its an uno
Holes come as a factory standard and are marketed as "improved air flow inter-operability"!

By scratch, do you mean physical scratches, or the sort of interference noise when music is playing?

No just depress the cones down you will know what i mean if they have gone as they will scratch on the coils. If they are that bad the normally plastic cone will be stuck to the coil post lol.

punto_matt said:

Wow if an ice shop reccomended 6x9s to me over a sub i would be straight out.

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i was lol

80% installation... i've got a long way to go then. so play around with different tweeter locations essentially and see what sounds the nicest.

I heard that high frequencies don't travel a long way so tweeters should ideally be placed fairly near to you i.e. at the front. seems obvious but isn't this contradicting what your saying.

So for the best sound staging would you recommend not putting the sub in the boot then?? Where would you install?

thanks

natemkii said:

So for the best sound staging would you recommend not putting the sub in the boot then?? Where would you install?

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Glovebox

natemkii said:

80% installation... i've got a long way to go then. so play around with different tweeter locations essentially and see what sounds the nicest.

I heard that high frequencies don't travel a long way so tweeters should ideally be placed fairly near to you i.e. at the front. seems obvious but isn't this contradicting what your saying.

So for the best sound staging would you recommend not putting the sub in the boot then?? Where would you install?

thanks

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I made my own tweeter location on the A pillars using fibreglass resin, my mums tights and some fabric.
Did them in about 1 day and a half:
Hope this gives you an idea?