Technical Fiat grande punto, just passed MOT - can someone explain these results.

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Technical Fiat grande punto, just passed MOT - can someone explain these results.

Those results don't make sense. If I read the MOT table correctly you need 50% to pass the Service Brake and 16% for the parking brake.


Also odd that the wheels are able to lock up.


What condition are you front Brake disks in? If they are badly scored and the calipers seized then you will have to overhaul.


For the drum brakes on the back check the condition of the shoes, drums and adjusters, that should tell you what needs replacing.


When my handbrake was bad a couple of years ago (2006 1.2 GP) it was the cables which were bad where they were held in at the back. Had to replace them to get a decent handbrake.

I've no idea what condition the brakes are in, its difficult to see without removing the wheel. But judging by the MOT results, they are not in good knick! I also do not understand the results, but i'm getting it sorted as soon as possible hopefully in April. I don't have any warning lights, ABS or whatever. Nor any MOT advisory relating to the brakes.

But I am noticing a "clunk" sound when the car comes to a halt after braking, I think its the rears.
 
I've no idea what condition the brakes are in, its difficult to see without removing the wheel. But judging by the MOT results, they are not in good knick! I also do not understand the results, but i'm getting it sorted as soon as possible hopefully in April. I don't have any warning lights, ABS or whatever. Nor any MOT advisory relating to the brakes.

But I am noticing a "clunk" sound when the car comes to a halt after braking, I think its the rears.

Get any noise, like a clunk, on brakes checked out asap.

I had a clunk from the rear brakes on my Honda....took wheel off and found that the carrier plate bolts for the caliper were not tightened up correctly so that every time the brakes were applied the carrier got "clunked" against the caliper before the brakes would start to work.

Not good.

You need to get to somewhere like Kwik Fit or similar for them to a thorough check or if you are a member of RAC/AA get them to come and check saying you are hearing a clunk from the brakes at the back.
 
can someone confirm a fiat grande punto 2008 front disks are 257mm diameter?

This is what im looking at from ecp.
2x Pagid Brake Disc (Front)
1x Pagid Brake Pad (Front)
1x Pagid Brake Shoe (Rear)


I'm just about to purchase the parts I need. My local garage has quoted me £80 for fitting 2x front disks, 2x front pads, and a pair of rear drum shoes.
 
Our 1.4 active sport just failed on a few things back brakes being one of them. Apparently handbrake was under minimum efficiency and there was an imbalance between NS and OS rear. This is despite being able to lock them both on gravel in a straight line with hand brake and it holding on hill and the car not moving away with handbrake applied. I'm fairly sure there was bugger all wrong with them.

Was going to change shoes but thought I'd have a look first. Loads of meat on the shoes so just cleaned every thing out, greased where appropriate, refitted with new fitting kit, slackened handbrake at the adjuster in the car and adjusted both sides at the wheel with the self adjusting mechanism. Wire brushed the outside of the drums and gave them a spray.
Passed fine on retest despite feeling no better, no less movement in pedal etc.

Only issue I've had was losing one​ of the retaining pins some time ago so one of the shoes was loose in the drum. This gave a clunk when coming to a stop but also gave a rotational grinding noise.

Get a Haynes manual and open up the drum yourself, take plenty of pics and use the guide on here. Fitting kit was £9.00 from eBay, you'll want one for the rears anyway if putting in new shoes.
Can't remember diameter of discs but i fitted mintex mdc 1735 discs.
Cheers
Ben
 
Our 1.4 active sport just failed on a few things back brakes being one of them. Apparently handbrake was under minimum efficiency and there was an imbalance between NS and OS rear. This is despite being able to lock them both on gravel in a straight line with hand brake and it holding on hill and the car not moving away with handbrake applied. I'm fairly sure there was bugger all wrong with them.

Was going to change shoes but thought I'd have a look first. Loads of meat on the shoes so just cleaned every thing out, greased where appropriate, refitted with new fitting kit, slackened handbrake at the adjuster in the car and adjusted both sides at the wheel with the self adjusting mechanism. Wire brushed the outside of the drums and gave them a spray.
Passed fine on retest despite feeling no better, no less movement in pedal etc.

Only issue I've had was losing one​ of the retaining pins some time ago so one of the shoes was loose in the drum. This gave a clunk when coming to a stop but also gave a rotational grinding noise.

Get a Haynes manual and open up the drum yourself, take plenty of pics and use the guide on here. Fitting kit was £9.00 from eBay, you'll want one for the rears anyway if putting in new shoes.
Can't remember diameter of discs but i fitted mintex mdc 1735 discs.
Cheers
Ben

Hi there
Many thanks for your response! Glad you got your car through the MOT with some nifty DIY. I'm really not confidant in trying this especially with brakes , maybe in the future but I will just buy the parts and get my local garage to fit. Honestly, I haven't the time or energy at the moment.

Is this the kind of drum brake fitting kit I may need?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-GRAN...+Punto&hash=item3cf51fe671:g:GoEAAOSwfVpYwn2j

Kind regards
 
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Fair enough, there's not a lot to it but if you're really not happy then best put it to a garage. That's the exact same kit i bought, yes.

Cheers

Ben

Thank you Ben, I'll add that shoe kit to the list. Also, regarding front pads, do I need a fitting kit for those? Only on ECP website, the Brembo pads show some kind of fittings, and the pagid ones do not.
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/F...f52b9792eb6e3cfd5d410b53665266f4521e82&000036

Shall i get the brembo ones? only works out like £4 difference.
 
I always put a new fitting kit in when changing pads or shoes although most of the time I'd get away without. Don't imagine there would be much difference between Pagid or Brembo so if one comes with a fitting kit I'd go for it.

Cheers
 
I always put a new fitting kit in when changing pads or shoes although most of the time I'd get away without. Don't imagine there would be much difference between Pagid or Brembo so if one comes with a fitting kit I'd go for it.

Cheers

Could just be Euro car parts website being silly, but to me that looks as if the Brembo set comes with some kind of fittings right? Could also be the photograph, but the connector for the wear indicator looks different?


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Those results don't make sense. If I read the MOT table correctly you need 50% to pass the Service Brake and 16% for the parking brake.

Also odd that the wheels are able to lock up.

It's not that unusual (See Post #17 ). The MOT inspection manual says:

"5. Gradually depress the service brake again, this time until maximum effort is achieved, or until the wheel locks and slips on the rollers. Stop the rollers. Record the maximum braking efforts and whether ‘lock-up’ occurs."

"Note: If more than half the wheels braked by a system lock, the percentage efficiency for that system is considered to be satisfactory."

You can download the full manual here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...mot-inspection-manual-classes-3-4-5-and-7.pdf

(Cars are "Class 4")
 
Can I get some advise regarding this advisory on MOT.

002 - Anti-roll bar linkage has slight play in a ball joint offside front (drop link) 2.4.G.2

My car makes a kind of "clunk" and "creaking" "grinding" when turning, only really when travelling slow. When moving steering wheel left right not centered. I haven't noticed it when car is stationary and wheel is turned.

Is this advisory FRONT DROP LINK?

https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=store&op=Details&ProdID=2816&sku=41213

Or as it seems many grande punto's need new Top suspension mounts and front anti roll bar brushes?

https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...m=Fiat_Grande_Punto_1.4_8v_Bushes_/_Mountings


Many thanks for all the help people.
 
Done a bit of digging on the forum. I think its the Top strut mounting. Seems quite a common fault with these cars.

Just had the car stationary, and someone turned the steering wheel while I gently held the suspension spring. I felt a judder, clang, pop/bounce kinda thing through the spring when the wheels turned. Sounds like Top mount right?

Maybe its a combination of top mount and drop links?
I've got the car booked in for brakes early April, so I'll get them to confirm.

If it is the Top mounts and drop links, how much is it likely to set me back if I purchased the parts for a garage to fit?

Many thanks
 
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That certainly sounds like the top mounts. It will be totally unrelated to the droplinks and won't change if you replace them. Obviously, you ned to replace at least one of them if the MOT tester has found play, but that's a separate problem. Worn droplinks usually manifest themselves as a knocking noise over poor road surfaces.

I'm afraid I don't know how much for the top bearings (sometimes called strut top bearings) as I've not had to do them on my daughter's car yet. Worth getting a few quotes. I'm given to understand that it's not too bad a job.
 
That certainly sounds like the top mounts. It will be totally unrelated to the droplinks and won't change if you replace them. Obviously, you ned to replace at least one of them if the MOT tester has found play, but that's a separate problem. Worn droplinks usually manifest themselves as a knocking noise over poor road surfaces.

I'm afraid I don't know how much for the top bearings (sometimes called strut top bearings) as I've not had to do them on my daughter's car yet. Worth getting a few quotes. I'm given to understand that it's not too bad a job.

Yah sounds like top mounts to me too. And like you say, the drop link(s) are a separate thing which need doing as well. Just pricing up the parts, i'll get the garage to quote for both me providing parts / and them sourcing inc fitting. See which works out cheaper... I know the brakes worked out a lot less for me to buy the bits and for them to just fit.

I think these are what I need right?

Original birth top mounts
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-PAIR-OF...+Punto&hash=item4d4018f28f:g:AmwAAOSwPc9WzwMr

Or Febi Bilstein x2 top mounts
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-FEBI-...mvSB=true&clk_rvr_id=1189940758203&rmvSB=true

Is there a quality difference in brand?

Drop links
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161221417621?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
 
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You can get drop links for a lit less than that. I paid less than 9 pounds each delivered for mine: Clicky
 
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i read a few threads on here that those meyle hd drop links were very good and i don't mind paying a few extra pounds. especially if it means not changing them for a long while! 4 year warranty.

not sure which top mounts tho, im not familiar with these febi or original birth brands tbh.
 
Yes, those links look like the right things. Just make sure you use the drop-down menus to make sure they're the right for your year and model.

Febi Bilstein seem "OK", I think. I've used a few of their bits. It's a German firm. I'd prefer TRW, Lemfoerder, Delphi or Meyle if you can find strut top bearings made by them. The Meyle droplinks will be excellent. I've recently replaced a cheap "no-name" one that didn't last 2 years before it was knocking its brains out!
 
Yes, those links look like the right things. Just make sure you use the drop-down menus to make sure they're the right for your year and model.

Febi Bilstein seem "OK", I think. I've used a few of their bits. It's a German firm. I'd prefer TRW, Lemfoerder, Delphi or Meyle if you can find strut top bearings made by them. The Meyle droplinks will be excellent. I've recently replaced a cheap "no-name" one that didn't last 2 years before it was knocking its brains out!

Great stuff thanks deffo gonna order Meyle drop links.
Have just found this on ebay, what do you think? MEYLE Strut mount fit OPEL

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/614-641-0...h=item5b25beb49c:g:924AAOSwzJ5XVDVR#vi-ilComp
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Meyle-Front-Suspension-Strut-Top-Mount-Bearing-614-641-0003-/291590544088

Is that the same as febi top mount but made by Meyle?
 
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