Hey all,

Not sure if this has been covered, I have checked but found nothing - that's the problem actually.

Anyway, what I have to ask is there any kind of ECU/Remap for my car the Grande Punto 1.6 Sporting 120 MJet. Everysite I have tried on here for tuning just does not list my car, it lists every other one though all around it just not the 1.6.....

Any help greatly appreciated,
Barrie

Is there something wrong with my name? Is it offensive .... I get a lot of views on my posts - never a reply

A simple yes or no would suffice.....

Thanks,
Barrie

Barriebazg said:

Is there something wrong with my name? Is it offensive .... I get a lot of views on my posts - never a reply

A simple yes or no would suffice.....

Thanks,
Barrie

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here goes Barrie,

Your best port of call would be ring Red Dot in London and ask their advice (you will see many,many posts on Red Dot as they are considered the best at what they do by most members on FF),and no, theres nothing wrong with your name!!!

Thanks for that Kop32. I am actually awaiting emails as well from a few companies that are off this site. I hope that I can get a remap, after reading these forums it seems like a must, LOL.

Thanks again,
Barrie

Barriebazg said:

Hey all,

Not sure if this has been covered, I have checked but found nothing - that's the problem actually.

Anyway, what I have to ask is there any kind of ECU/Remap for my car the Grande Punto 1.6 Sporting 120 MJet. Everysite I have tried on here for tuning just does not list my car, it lists every other one though all around it just not the 1.6.....

Any help greatly appreciated,
Barrie

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Hi Barrie, we have just released an injector tuning kit for this car, results are great. I have just updated figures on the website for it www.tmcmotorsport.com . Have a look, the FF members price is £349 inc Vat and delivery, the price may have to increase soon due to the increase in VAT rate but for now I'm holding the price at 2009 level.

Let me know if we can be of help.

email: [email protected] or call 0845 834 0019

TMC Motorsport said:

Hi Barrie, we have just released an injector tuning kit for this car, results are great. I have just updated figures on the website for it . Have a look, the FF members price is £349 inc Vat and delivery, the price may have to increase soon due to the increase in VAT rate but for now I'm holding the price at 2009 level.

Let me know if we can be of help.

call 0845 834 0019

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Hi TMC,

Thank you very much for this. So am I right in thinking that remapping is not an option for my model?? I am not sure I would want to install an actual kit into the car, due to warranty reasons......

Thank you very much for supplying all this above though

Barrie

What sort of figures can we expect from the 1.6 MJET?

Barriebazg said:

Hi TMC,

Thank you very much for this. So am I right in thinking that remapping is not an option for my model?? I am not sure I would want to install an actual kit into the car, due to warranty reasons......

Thank you very much for supplying all this above though

Barrie

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Barrie I think he means a "remap" when he says injector tuning - the main bit of after market maps is increasing the amount of fuel being injected.

However, the "kit" I suspect will be a plug in tuning unit. These are generic maps for this car not specifically designed for your engine like RedDot create.

OLZ said:

Barrie I think he means a "remap" when he says injector tuning - the main bit of after market maps is increasing the amount of fuel being injected.

However, the "kit" I suspect will be a plug in tuning unit. These are generic maps for this car not specifically designed for your engine like RedDot create.

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Hi, injector tuning kit plugs on to each individual injector and changes the opening times of the injectors. This is the same method of tuning used by Steinbauer, one of the more expensive makes available.
Results are 120 to 143 and +59NM. This is with the box set at default level 1, it can be adjusted inside to level 2 or 3 which will increase the power further but not beyond 30%.

Barriebazg said:

Hi TMC,

Thank you very much for this. So am I right in thinking that remapping is not an option for my model?? I am not sure I would want to install an actual kit into the car, due to warranty reasons......

Thank you very much for supplying all this above though

Barrie

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I'm not sure if your car can be remapped, many of the latest diesels with Bosch EDC17 ECU's have had the write facility in the ECU removed by the manufacturer leaving it impossible to write software to them. Maybe in time someone will crack this but as far as I know to date no one has this affects most German cars now BMW/AUDI/VW etc.
This seems to be the way all new diesels are going which will leave tuning boxes as an only option soon.

Warranty reasons is the main reason many people do install a tuning kit, it does not exceed the manufacturers tolerances of the engine and can be easily removed for servicing/warranty work. That and the other point is that dealers are updating software from the manufacturers regularly now so if your a long distance from the remap place you may find yourself making several journeys back and forward to have the mod software re-installed. But both methods give great results whichever you choose to go with.

OLZ said:

Barrie I think he means a "remap" when he says injector tuning - the main bit of after market maps is increasing the amount of fuel being injected.

However, the "kit" I suspect will be a plug in tuning unit. These are generic maps for this car not specifically designed for your engine like RedDot create.

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By the way setting up an injector tuning kit is very specific to this engine and will not work on any other engine but the 1.6 MJet its designed for. You can't transfer this box into a 1.9 MJet. Injector tuning is not like altering rail pressure, the timing of the injector pulses has to be exact or damage will occur. So this kit is very specific to the 1.6 engine.

Hi TMC and OLZ,

Thanks for your replies.

So is this kit something that I would have to install myself? And also once this is installed is there any fine tuning of it that is needed?

Thanks,
Barrie

Also just to let you know. Hexup.co.uk have got back to me and informed me that they could visit me and remap my car for £250. I am not sure what gains, I'm awaiting a further reply for this. So maybe a remap is possible for this model? Also not sure if anyone has used Hexup here before. Don't think I am snubbing you TMC just I am investigating all possible angles.

Barrie

Barriebazg said:

Also just to let you know. Hexup.co.uk have got back to me and informed me that they could visit me and remap my car for £250. I am not sure what gains, I'm awaiting a further reply for this. So maybe a remap is possible for this model? Also not sure if anyone has used Hexup here before. Don't think I am snubbing you TMC just I am investigating all possible angles.

Barrie

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Not at all its your money! Yes the box is something you would fit yourself or have a friend do if your not mechanically minded. You can download instructions from our site http://www.tmcmotorsport.com/CarTuningInstallationAndDealers.aspx

Click to download injector box instructions. There is nothing to do once fitted unless you want to increase the power further in which case you simply adjust jumper pins inside to one of 4 settings. This unit also has the facility to be switched off from inside the car if you wish.

Pricewise a remap can always be cheaper because you are not buying a product only software, with the box you have an electronic microprocessor controller with wiring harness and automotive plugs which you can always sell on again when you change the car.

Its really a personal decision based on what your needs are.

TMC Motorsport said:

Not at all its your money! Yes the box is something you would fit yourself or have a friend do if your not mechanically minded. You can download instructions from our site http://www.tmcmotorsport.com/CarTuningInstallationAndDealers.aspx

Click to download injector box instructions. There is nothing to do once fitted unless you want to increase the power further in which case you simply adjust jumper pins inside to one of 4 settings. This unit also has the facility to be switched off from inside the car if you wish.

Pricewise a remap can always be cheaper because you are not buying a product only software, with the box you have an electronic microprocessor controller with wiring harness and automotive plugs which you can always sell on again when you change the car.

Its really a personal decision based on what your needs are.

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Well it certainly wouldn't be me who would fit it, just would not trust myself, computers yes, cars NO, LOL. Especially not ones that are brand spanking new and still under warranty

So I imagine I would have to remove it before taking it back to Fiat for any reason as well as service, whereas with a remap there is nothing that I would have to do? Also from what I have read on here the remap is not noticeable by Fiat?

Thanks for all your help TMC, it's greatly appreciated.

Barrie

Barriebazg said:

Well it certainly wouldn't be me who would fit it, just would not trust myself, computers yes, cars NO, LOL. Especially not ones that are brand spanking new and still under warranty

So I imagine I would have to remove it before taking it back to Fiat for any reason as well as service, whereas with a remap there is nothing that I would have to do? Also from what I have read on here the remap is not noticeable by Fiat?

Thanks for all your help TMC, it's greatly appreciated.

Barrie

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doesn't matter whether they can detect the map or not.... first time they drive it they will know... when the mech at my fiat garage drove my car looking for which wheel bearing had gone, he immediatly said.. wow! so what figures have you had this remapped to then?

with a box, you can remove it and it will go back to factory power....

Barriebazg said:

Well it certainly wouldn't be me who would fit it, just would not trust myself, computers yes, cars NO, LOL. Especially not ones that are brand spanking new and still under warranty

So I imagine I would have to remove it before taking it back to Fiat for any reason as well as service, whereas with a remap there is nothing that I would have to do? Also from what I have read on here the remap is not noticeable by Fiat?

Thanks for all your help TMC, it's greatly appreciated.

Barrie

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No problem Barrie, if you look at the instructions you'll see its very easy to connect, fully plug in, you simply take the plug off each injector one at a time and put a set of male/female plugs from the tuning kit on to each injector and the original injector plugs, then a wire to the + and - of the battery. Most customers who fit them have no experience and find it at doddle.

Just on your last point about a remap not being detectable, thats wrong. Every modern ECU has a flash counter which counts each time new software is flashed into the ECU. So the dealers can tell if its been flashed, they may not know whats been altered but they can tell new software has been flashed in.

Some dealers don't bother but you could just be unlucky and get one who does, they are within their rights to inform Fiat and invalidate your warranty. Thats why I say to remove the box before servicing, when removed no trace is left.
The remap can also be removed before servicing but removing it will clock another hit on the flash counter, then another to put it back in afterwards.

Oh right, so they could know then? The figures that Hexup are quoting are:

Power = From 120 to 160 BHP and Torque from 300 to 370NM

It does seem that your option is probably best, as I could remove the box before taking it in. Maybe getting a remap could void the warranty as no way of removing this!!! Although the gains on a remap are vast.... Arrrggghhhh decisions, decisions, LOL.

People play up about the remap being noticed by dealers. I have never had a problem with Fiat dealers with my car being modified, and niether have many others on here. Maybe other manufacturers care more.....

Barriebazg said:

Oh right, so they could know then? The figures that Hexup are quoting are:

Power = From 120 to 160 BHP and Torque from 300 to 370NM

It does seem that your option is probably best, as I could remove the box before taking it in. Maybe getting a remap could void the warranty as no way of removing this!!! Although the gains on a remap are vast.... Arrrggghhhh decisions, decisions, LOL.

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As I said Barrie, the box can be adjusted higher than the figures I've quoted you, its up to you if you choose to turn it up, adjusting is very simple. I would imagine it would come quite close to these figures you quoted. One difference is we have the standard torque listed as 320NM they say 300NM not sure which is correct.