everson38 said:

thanks alot really appreciate it:slayer:

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First of all, my apologies! DON'T jack it on the lip that pokes downwards! I have done it before (and would do it again - in fact I've just done it again now to take the photos) but it DOES actually bend the lip slightly. What has happened is that someone has done that on my daughter's car in the past and what I first thought was a slight "flat" on that lip where the jacking symbol is presed into the sill as a downward-pointing triangle, is actually where the jack has bent the outer skin of the three bits of metal that form that seam on some previous occasion. Now that it's done, of course, there's no problem jacking it up on there again because the damage is already done!

Here's a photo of the "seam" I was talking about. Note the slightly flattened area towards the right hand side:



Here it is again with a trolley jack under it (note the bit of wood with the grain going ACROSS the seam)



Here's a close-up:


Note that slight bend in it? That was already there and I assumed it had been originally pressed that way by Fiat. it looks worse than it is, because of course, the seam is also digging into the the piece of wood.

Here's the factory-supplied jack under the back jacking point on the same side as the trolley jack:



and a close-up:


You'll see that the top has a cut-out in it to miss the flange. You could make up something out of hardwood to do the same and sit on top of the trolley jack if you were bothered about protecting the seam.

Lastly, a photo of the two jacks to give "context"

I don't know if you can make out the two downward-pointing triangles pressed into the sill to show where to jack, but they're there somewhere, just above the jacks! You could very easily replicate the top of the Fiat jack in my second photo by screwing a couple of blocks of wood on to the top of the first one to accommodate the flange poking downwards between them if you wanted.

Thanks alot Avocet!

Above and beyond what i was expecting! People like you really help us newbies out, could not be more grateful.:worship::worship::worship:

Avocet said:

First of all, my apologies! DON'T jack it on the lip that pokes downwards! I have done it before (and would do it again - in fact I've just done it again now to take the photos) but it DOES actually bend the lip slightly. What has happened is that someone has done that on my daughter's car in the past and what I first thought was a slight "flat" on that lip where the jacking symbol is presed into the sill as a downward-pointing triangle, is actually where the jack has bent the outer skin of the three bits of metal that form that seam on some previous occasion. Now that it's done, of course, there's no problem jacking it up on there again because the damage is already done!

Here's a photo of the "seam" I was talking about. Note the slightly flattened area towards the right hand side:

Here it is again with a trolley jack under it (note the bit of wood with the grain going ACROSS the seam)

Here's a close-up:

Note that slight bend in it? That was already there and I assumed it had been originally pressed that way by Fiat. it looks worse than it is, because of course, the seam is also digging into the the piece of wood.

Here's the factory-supplied jack under the back jacking point on the same side as the trolley jack:

and a close-up:

You'll see that the top has a cut-out in it to miss the flange. You could make up something out of hardwood to do the same and sit on top of the trolley jack if you were bothered about protecting the seam.

Lastly, a photo of the two jacks to give "context"

I don't know if you can make out the two downward-pointing triangles pressed into the sill to show where to jack, but they're there somewhere, just above the jacks! You could very easily replicate the top of the Fiat jack in my second photo by screwing a couple of blocks of wood on to the top of the first one to accommodate the flange poking downwards between them if you wanted.

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Thanks alot Avocet!

Above and beyond what i was expecting! People like you really help us newbies out, could not be more grateful.:wors hip:

Avocet said:

First of all, my apologies! DON'T jack it on the lip that pokes downwards! I have done it before (and would do it again - in fact I've just done it again now to take the photos) but it DOES actually bend the lip slightly. What has happened is that someone has done that on my daughter's car in the past and what I first thought was a slight "flat" on that lip where the jacking symbol is presed into the sill as a downward-pointing triangle, is actually where the jack has bent the outer skin of the three bits of metal that form that seam on some previous occasion. Now that it's done, of course, there's no problem jacking it up on there again because the damage is already done!

Here's a photo of the "seam" I was talking about. Note the slightly flattened area towards the right hand side:

Here it is again with a trolley jack under it (note the bit of wood with the grain going ACROSS the seam)

Here's a close-up:

Note that slight bend in it? That was already there and I assumed it had been originally pressed that way by Fiat. it looks worse than it is, because of course, the seam is also digging into the the piece of wood.

Here's the factory-supplied jack under the back jacking point on the same side as the trolley jack:

and a close-up:

You'll see that the top has a cut-out in it to miss the flange. You could make up something out of hardwood to do the same and sit on top of the trolley jack if you were bothered about protecting the seam.

Lastly, a photo of the two jacks to give "context"

I don't know if you can make out the two downward-pointing triangles pressed into the sill to show where to jack, but they're there somewhere, just above the jacks! You could very easily replicate the top of the Fiat jack in my second photo by screwing a couple of blocks of wood on to the top of the first one to accommodate the flange poking downwards between them if you wanted.

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Cheers fella, much appreciated. I have a hockey puck like in the above link to avoid bending the sill.

However, as you then would need to place axle stands, where would you put them? At the front there's some obvious places (chassis rails, wishbone bolt), but where at the back would you put the stands?

Cheers again

Here is a picture of the underbody if it helps anyone

HFC2197 said:

Cheers fella, much appreciated. I have a hockey puck like in the above link to avoid bending the sill.

However, as you then would need to place axle stands, where would you put them? At the front there's some obvious places (chassis rails, wishbone bolt), but where at the back would you put the stands?

Cheers again

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Hey Avocet

I was thinking the same thing that HFC2197 was saying. As when i jack my car i want the jack to remain for extra support, so where would you put axle stands to help as the trolley jack in affect is taking up its position? any recommendation

thanks

Avocet said:

First of all, my apologies! DON'T jack it on the lip that pokes downwards! I have done it before (and would do it again - in fact I've just done it again now to take the photos) but it DOES actually bend the lip slightly. What has happened is that someone has done that on my daughter's car in the past and what I first thought was a slight "flat" on that lip where the jacking symbol is presed into the sill as a downward-pointing triangle, is actually where the jack has bent the outer skin of the three bits of metal that form that seam on some previous occasion. Now that it's done, of course, there's no problem jacking it up on there again because the damage is already done!

Here's a photo of the "seam" I was talking about. Note the slightly flattened area towards the right hand side:

Here it is again with a trolley jack under it (note the bit of wood with the grain going ACROSS the seam)

Here's a close-up:

Note that slight bend in it? That was already there and I assumed it had been originally pressed that way by Fiat. it looks worse than it is, because of course, the seam is also digging into the the piece of wood.

Here's the factory-supplied jack under the back jacking point on the same side as the trolley jack:

and a close-up:

You'll see that the top has a cut-out in it to miss the flange. You could make up something out of hardwood to do the same and sit on top of the trolley jack if you were bothered about protecting the seam.

Lastly, a photo of the two jacks to give "context"

I don't know if you can make out the two downward-pointing triangles pressed into the sill to show where to jack, but they're there somewhere, just above the jacks! You could very easily replicate the top of the Fiat jack in my second photo by screwing a couple of blocks of wood on to the top of the first one to accommodate the flange poking downwards between them if you wanted.

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Hey Avocet

I was thinking the same thing that HFC2197 was saying. As when i jack my car i want the jack to remain for extra support, so where would you put axle stands to help as the trolley jack in affect is taking up its position? any recommendation

thanks

Sorry, been away for a few days!

To be honest, I have the luxury of a ramp and a jacking beam normally, so I rarely use axle stands. At the back of the car (lighter than the front), I wouldn't lose too much sleep over putting them under the sills, next to the trolley jack. The construction is the same all along the sill. Again, worth using wood to spread the load a bit. I'll have a look under her car next time I see it and see if there are any better places.

Avocet said:

Sorry, been away for a few days!

To be honest, I have the luxury of a ramp and a jacking beam normally, so I rarely use axle stands. At the back of the car (lighter than the front), I wouldn't lose too much sleep over putting them under the sills, next to the trolley jack. The construction is the same all along the sill. Again, worth using wood to spread the load a bit. I'll have a look under her car next time I see it and see if there are any better places.

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Hey Avocet I know this is off topic but being a newbie I have tried looking around the site and cannot find them. But do you know the wheel nuts torque specs by any chance?

Sorry, I'm afraid I don't. I've never really been a stickler for torques when it comes to wheel nuts (although of course, that IS the correct thing to do)! Making sure they are roughly even and are tightened up in sequence (i.e. diagonally opposite nuts, so (say) top left and bottom right, then bottom left and top right) is more important than absolute torque. I just tend to do them up as tight as I can using the wheel key supplied with the car. That's as good a guess as any IMO!

These websites (no idea whether they're correct or not!) say about 120 Nm.

http://www.puretyre.co.uk/fiat-tyre-pressures/

http://www.conti-online.com/generat...atures/torque-settings/torque-settings-en.pdf

Do you have alloys or steel wheels? If alloys, I'd be inclined to go a bit lower (say 100Nm).

everson38 said:

Hey Avocet I know this is off topic but being a newbie I have tried looking around the site and cannot find them. But do you know the wheel nuts torque specs by any chance?

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105nm

Anyone got the pictures still?

Gimba said:

Anyone got the pictures still?

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Hey gimba further back in the forum avocet put some.pics up for me that helped