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1.2 & 1.4 8v manual gear oil level check/ top up / change
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10-04-2011
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1.2 & 1.4 8v manual gear oil level check/ top up / change

This doesn't have to be a regular check but pays to check it every now and then... or if you suspect you have a gear oil leak..

Also oil is a known pollutant and a criminal offence to dispose of oil down the drain it must be disposed of safely and legally
For your nearest disposal point) look here: http://www.oilbankline.org.uk/ Or call 08708 506 506


so first park the car in a safe traffic free area WITH THE CAR AS LEVEL AS POSSIBLE


tools needed...
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drip tray

12mm hex (alan key or a 12mm hex socket and ratchet)

funnel with flexi end


bit of rag


if fussy a pair of latex or similar gloves


correct gear oil (see owners handbook)

SAE 75W-85 grade synthetic base lubricant.
FIAT 9.55550-MX3 certification

TUTELA CAR
TECHNYX
Contractual Technical
Reference N F010.B05


apply the handbrake


the 12mm hex bung is a taper fit and is the level check and top up point
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(there is another 8mm drain plug at the lower back of the gear box near the differential to drain all the oil should you wish to do a full change (capacity is 1.5kg of fluid according to the handbook)



If your car comes with a undertray remove this now your looking on the passenger side (uk) of the car for this




remove the 12mm hex bung with a alan key or ratchet with 12mm hex socket

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now if you remove the bung you should get a dribble of oil escaping

if this happens your level is fine and just needs the bung cleaning with a bit or rag and nipping back up however if none escapes you need a top up

At this point stick your little finger in the hole angled downwards this should give you an idea of how much oil there is in the box if you cant get any oil on your finger you have a bad leak and should investigate where the oil is escaping to/ from as not only is this a sign of a problem it can also be dangerous to other road users if your car is loosing oil all over the road...


once any leak had been found/ delt with its time to top up with your flexi funnel in place....

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fill slowly then when oil starts escaping from the filler then stop filling remove the funnel and allow any excess to drain away into your drip pan....


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next clean up the top up plug and screw back in hand tight before nipping up with the alan key ( torque to 2.3 to 2.8 DaNm)


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then wipe clean any drips (and refit under tray if fitted)



(see a nice easy task that can save you a lot of money and heartache)



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Re: 1.2 & 1.4 8v manual gear oil level check/ top up

Nice guide, up to your usual high standard I'm surprised no-one has commented in several years.

Personally I always change manual gearbox oil on any car new to me and over five years old, even though it is not in the service schedule. Draining the old oil out will usually reveal dark brown contaminated oil, swirls of metallic debris, and flakes stuck to the magnetic drain plug. Obviously there is wear taking place, and I believe that new oil will minimise this wear. There's so little oil in there that it is worked quite hard, and doesn't cost much to replace.

Most gear oil is a golden colour, I was surprised to see the red in the photos. It is quite important to get the right gear oil (the FIAT/Selenia product you showed) - most workshops would chuck in any gear oil and risk compromising the performance.

Generally-speaking (not the Grande Punto in particular), for a gearbox with over 200,000km (120,000 miles), I usually add a tube of manual gearbox additive to get a bit more performance from the (worn) synchronisers and enhance the feel of the gear selection (make it less notchy). The original oil has similar additives in it, but it helps to beef them up a bit. Sometimes I have had excellent results, other times it makes little difference, but it's worth a try.

It is a bit of voodoo as the synchronisers depend on friction to do their job, so eliminating all friction would be a bad thing. However, they are also self-assisting in their design (build up more friction as other parts slide), and it seems the smoother those parts slide, the better it all works.

The additive I use is Nulon G70, a white tube available in Australia and New Zealand, but I'm sure there is an equivalent available elsewhere.
http://www.nulon.com.au/pb-pdf.php?filename=PB-G70 The small tube is sufficient.

I just remembered a recent application to a 1996 Punto 55 (Mk1) that a friend had owned for many years. The bracket at the base of the gear lever had broken and a workshop welded that back together. I had the car to service it and noticed the stiff and notchy gear selection. As part of replacing the clutch, I drained and replaced the gear oil and added a tube of G70. It was driving acceptably well when I finished, but what really struck me was when I drove the car again several months later - the gearchange had become very smooth and easy with much less selection force required. So, my experience is that it takes a while for the additive to work its way in.

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Re: 1.2 & 1.4 8v manual gear oil level check/ top up

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Most gear oil is a golden colour, I was surprised to see the red in the photos. It is quite important to get the right gear oil (the FIAT/Selenia product you showed) - most workshops would chuck in any gear oil and risk compromising the performance.
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see this Alex

http://www.fiatforum.com/tech-talk/3...gear-oils.html

me thinks they buy in what ever is cheap and meets spec and re bottle it in their own name.....


anyway just done a change on mine this evening now to update this guide for changing too
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Re: 1.2 & 1.4 8v manual gear oil level check/ top up / change

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they know the procedure for changing ATF III gear box dualogic

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Re: 1.2 & 1.4 8v manual gear oil level check/ top up / change

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Hello

they know the procedure for changing ATF III gear box dualogic

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Do they? That's good then

If you were asking me, I'd say that first you undo the 10mm recessed hex drain plug under the diff (pointing backwards), which drains the gear oil out of the gearbox. The specification calls for Matryx oil (I used ZC75 instead as I believe it to be a higher grade). Refill through the 12mm recessed hex plug which you find on the front of the gearbox - it's accessed through a hole in the Selespeed fluid reservoir tank once you have removed the aluminium heat shield.

Then to change the ATFIII fluid (as you call it), disconnect the pipe from the bottom of the reservoir by undoing the 11mm nut on the pipe itself. Fluid will only drain out when the pump runs - either open the driver's door numerous times (pump runs in short bursts), or put 12v power onto the pump's plug. The fluid that comes out is likely to be a dirty grey colour.

Once the old fluid is removed, reconnect the pipe and remove the 17mm hex plastic cap on the top of the reservoir. Pour in your chosen fluid - I use Tutela CS Speed (Selespeed fluid) - up to the green line on the reservoir (easiest to see from under the car).

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thank you very much

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Hello

It may be important to consider for Dualogic

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