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re: The new FIAT Tipo wins the prestigious "AUTOBEST 2016" award

A GP is not plush...
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Saw all three variants at Geneva on the weekend.

Looks OK, pretty anonymous but the interior feels cheap and nasty.

My old Stilo felt far more premium.
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A GP is not plush...
I consider it to feel quite plush. Certainly, it has a far more expensive, quality feel than 1 mates ibiza and another mates mk2 focus.
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I consider it to feel quite plush. Certainly, it has a far more expensive, quality feel than 1 mates ibiza and another mates mk2 focus.

I know you think it's quite plush but you have only driven 4 cars! It was okay at the time it was launched in 2006.

I moved from MK1 Focus Ghia to the GP Elegenza and I can definitely confirm the GP was not plusher then the MK1 Focus
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I know you think it's quite plush but you have only driven 4 cars! It was okay at the time it was launched in 2006.

I moved from MK1 Focus Ghia to the GP Elegenza and I can definitely confirm the GP was not plusher then the MK1 Focus
I may have only driven 5 cars, but I have been a passenger in a lot of others! My mates 2007 Focus Zetec was more expensive brand new than my Grande Eleganza, yet it has less equipment, and the interior is made of cheaper materials.

The aforementioned 2011 Ibiza is quite frankly shocking: I think the 2001 Daewoo Matiz SE Plus I owned had a better quality interior than that Seat!
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This car is going to be competing in the Astra/Focus/Golf segment.

It's already hampered by being based on the Punto platform, ultimately it probably won't offer the ride/handling that it should be.

It has to be priced quite lowly to be tempting to a small proportion of people.
It'll be competing with the cheaper end of the segment (Kia, Hyundai, Skoda etc.) - the more recent Fords and VW are arguably a notch higher quality of fit and finish.

The point is it's not going to compete with the mid/high spec' cars of the segment, since the amount of gadgets and the expectations of the punters at that end mean there's no profit in the car. The middle (even mid-low) ground on the other hand means you can offer a cheaper car with less kit... AND make more money out of it.

Fiat's other problem is that even a car as "quality" (I use that word advisedly.. ) as a Golf.. even a car better than the Golf.. will STILL never sell in any numbers. Punters buy the badge, not the car. No point in competing like-for-like.

The beast is based on a re-worked 500L bits and pieces, not Punto... though having had Fiats for the last half a century.. you will see Punto bits in it too, I'm sure.

Everywhere else in Europe it is bargain price (12,500/10,000 in Italy... so I suspect it'll cost from 15,000 in the UK.. just saying, Fiat UK... )


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It is based on the GM Fiat small platform and is used in multiple Fiat/GM cars.

In 500x and Jeep Renegade spec it's independently Sprung at the rear as opposed to the torsion beam this will have. However, it started life with the Punto/Corsa in 2005.

I wouldn't class the Hyundai or Skoda at the lower end of the market these days neither, as the prices for those cars against equivalent Astras/Focus's are not the much different and I suspect in the case of the Skoda actually more.

It's really going to have its work to cut out to compete. I also agree that a lot of people will buy a car simply because of the badge on the front of it.

Even if it turns out to be a good car, which I suspect it will only at best be average it won't sell very well.
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At the right price it will sell reasonably well by offering a decent amount of space for the money. It may well turn out to be a lot better than average in aclass dominated by white goods.
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Yes that's the point.. if it's cheap enough people will buy it. If it's just the same price as everything else, it will never sell, no matter how good it is (see Bravo 2 as the proof).

The pricing in the mid/upper sector and the level of "quality" and equipment/spec' a manufacturer has to provide also makes it borderline unprofitable to sell cars for the money. VW was losing money on every Golf 6 (5?) sold .. and Bravo 2 was making Fiat about 50 per car profit.

Tipo (loitering around in the space that Hyundai/Kia, Skoda and the like *used* to occupy) can shift more units. Even at 50 profit a car that would be better for Fiat.. but my understanding is that Tipo will is more than 3 times more profitable per car.. so more sales of a more profitable car.

It's a no-brainer for Fiat... and in any case, a simple, basic car without too many gadgets you probably could survive without... What's not to like?

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It's a no-brainer for Fiat... and in any case, a simple, basic car without too many gadgets you probably could survive without... What's not to like?

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I think people are gradually beginning to realise they don't need a lot of the toot in the latest models, hence why you see a fair few Dacias around: less unnecessary kit, but a colossal amount cheaper!
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I've never been a fan of "toot"..

I tend to like old second-hand cars where "this year's gizmo" is just something that's broken by the time I inherit it... and which I can't find the parts for or they cost 500 more than the car did.

I'll probably be able to afford a brand new Tipo.. (yes, yes I know seconda mano is better "value" but it's my bit of an indulgence.. ) and if it's not festooned in un-necessary c*** then I'd probably have to have one..

Too much "stuff".. or too expensive (Fiat UK breaking the 11th Commandment - Thou Shalt Not Take the Pi55) and it'll have to be a second-hand 500X instead..


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Hi to everyone
Bought the new TIPO 15500euro 1.6 jtd 2 with 120hp, and already after 1000km having minor problems.The funny thing is FIAT official service can not solve them.I was very disappointed. i hope they will solve them in one week as they told me.The problem began with the TFT display going of by it self and after one day it was working as if nothing happen.After a week and at 1220 km the service light came on and i went for the first check up service.They said your car is in our campaign list for software update.After the update the numbers on the display where you see how much km you pass keep blinking while driving.So i change the display to "trip" or consumption so it wont bother me.The official dealer in my country said that fiat has not a solucion for this problem yet and i should wait one or two week until they get the software.
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That's 12,200 in real money..

It's a pity about the TFT... but "at least" it's just a TFT software problem I hope, rather than a car problem. I've got a Stilo.. so the ".. dashboard dying all by itself.." is a bit more serious in that car..

If it's just software needed to fix it .. but the TFT is otherwise okay.. then that's not so bad. They'll patch the software and it'll be fixed without needing any new parts.

My Stilo dashboard.. needs parts.


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How old is the Stilo?
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My Stilo is 12 years old... 120,000 miles now.

It's not a bad car.. the suspension is quite soft (5 doors) and it has 65-section tyres.. so it's "your dad would like it" comfortable... but when you drive it a little faster you can tell there's a great chassis in there.

Maybe I'll fit some 17" wheels and lower profile tyres in the summer..

The body and the external components seem pretty robust. There's no rust on the chassis or the brake pipes despite the UK weather (we have salt on our roads in winter), The subframes and the suspension springs are starting to lose their epoxy coat.. but on the whole, it'll last a few more years easily.

The quality inside is nothing too sexy but then it was one of the cheaper cars, even in 2004... and it doesn't look like the previous owners looked after it very much, which hasn't helped. Still.. it's survived. If I can solve the instruments problem then pretty much it all works.. (just the headlamp adjuster and the heated door mirrors seem to be on strike).

I bought it to drive around while I fix my Alfa 145 (waterpump failed and wrecked the engine) and to try a diesel engine... It's an impressive engine for just 115bhp and uses hardly any fuel.. but I think I'll stick with petrol next time, please..

If Fiat UK import the Tipo 4-doors here then I'll probably buy one. I think there is a 120bhp petrol which sounds just the ticket for me. Even the 5-doors doesn't look too bad (if Fiat UK don't import the 4-door) but I like saloons even if the rest of the UK doesn't... so I'm hoping..

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