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Mick
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well as title says really has anybody lost a job/ contract etc due to polish imigrents ?
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OT- has anybody here suffered at the influx in imigrents?
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Anonymous
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I wonder if the Poles know how to spell immigrant?
Have you ever thought about how many Brits lose out on jobs because of illiteracy?
Have you ever thought about how many Brits lose out on jobs because of illiteracy?
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jimbo
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hey ....
dont be rough on him
Hes albanian
dont be rough on him
Hes albanian
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mick
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im more bothered about people like me who are losing contract due to cheap labour, in sheffield, doncaster and barnsley agencies are actuly turning don british workers for the imigrants as they can make more money off them, people say i was on to much but i dont think i was i was been payed for my tade and knowladge of it, they get payed for turning up and been instructed by a translator as they dont even speak english!
dont get me wrong its not them i hate its the goverment, What was it that tosser brown said "british jobs for british workers" what a load of ballaxes last year i was layed off at barrets so 75 polish workers could replace us and we couldnt do a thing about it cos were all classed as casual labour now on CIS4, when will people say no enough is enough cos we cant exactly send them back can we as thats in humain but putting 100's of thousands of british workers is quite acceptable.
dont get me wrong its not them i hate its the goverment, What was it that tosser brown said "british jobs for british workers" what a load of ballaxes last year i was layed off at barrets so 75 polish workers could replace us and we couldnt do a thing about it cos were all classed as casual labour now on CIS4, when will people say no enough is enough cos we cant exactly send them back can we as thats in humain but putting 100's of thousands of british workers is quite acceptable.
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mick
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i think you will find some times matey spelling cant be helped! for reasons that are out of one's control!
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Shaun Cook
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im not a fan of polish myself, but i lived with them for nearly a year and they can be very ungreatful, never the less, there is a polish person on this site, and it wouldnt suprise me if there are more.
saying this might offend him.
from my point of view, polish people can be really good workers..they take most jobs due to actually wanting to work..not going for 'fag breaks' every 2 seconds and standing around chatting.
just my 2pencs worth from what iv seen/experienced
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saying this might offend him.
from my point of view, polish people can be really good workers..they take most jobs due to actually wanting to work..not going for 'fag breaks' every 2 seconds and standing around chatting.
just my 2pencs worth from what iv seen/experienced
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mick
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yeah mate but when people wont hire you because you are not polish it does hurt a little, 2 of my freinds have declaired bancrupcy this year because they couldnt find work due to people not hiring british workers, they dont work any harder than anybody else and it took me years to become a bricklayer to learn my trade and im now bee told im no better than a person who has just done a 7 week course? what is wrong there my dad, hes been a bricklayer for over 30 years, 2 month ago he was layed off and 3 men took his place straight away how come? like i said i do not blame the imigrents i blame labour for letting this situation get so bad.
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Roberto
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When British workers turn down perfectly reasonable work because they'd rather sponge off the dole or think that manual labour is beneath them, then is it any wonder when hard working people from outside of the UK come in and gratefully accept these jobs.
Singling out the Polish people is unfair. Basing your opinion of a race of people on your experience of just one of them is also unfair.
By the way, did you hear the Germans whinging back in the 70's and 80's when British builders flocked to their shores because work was plentiful and the Germans didn't want to do it ? Now it's happening here, we don't like it. Well, that's just tough.
And, as has been mentioned, we have members and users here who are either immigrants or, like me, sons of immigrants. I'd be mindful of the comments that get made here.
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Singling out the Polish people is unfair. Basing your opinion of a race of people on your experience of just one of them is also unfair.
By the way, did you hear the Germans whinging back in the 70's and 80's when British builders flocked to their shores because work was plentiful and the Germans didn't want to do it ? Now it's happening here, we don't like it. Well, that's just tough.
And, as has been mentioned, we have members and users here who are either immigrants or, like me, sons of immigrants. I'd be mindful of the comments that get made here.
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Richard
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They are the production workers building the award winning Fiat 500!!
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Shaun Cook
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i am an 'Immigrant'
there is ur answer mick...u said they laid ur dad off and hired 3 other workers..they hired 3 workers for the pay of just ur dad...
cheaper labour...
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there is ur answer mick...u said they laid ur dad off and hired 3 other workers..they hired 3 workers for the pay of just ur dad...
cheaper labour...
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mick
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right you may take offence by this but i am no lazy dole sponger i am a bricklayer in the same boats a 1000's more in south yorkshire, i am not singling out a certain race im am repeating what has beeb said to me by agancies when i aproach them for work, i think it is unfair you tar all the construction industry with the same brush, i am pointing out a FACT! not trying to have a dig at people natonalities if it comes down to that my dads side of the families were germen setlers back in the 1900's
wait till you loose youre job to a man that isnt as qualified as you hasnt had to trane for the the amount of years you have, and will work for half youre wage! see what youre opiniun is then
ive always said since some of the poorer countries were aloud to join the EC (EU) any imigrents that come should be made to have proper training, speak the language and be paid the same rate as the man next to him.
i know of a company in sheffield that has over 100 imigrents working for them right who use translators, how can that comply with current HSE regulations?
also ill think you will find builders cant smoke drink and just chat around due to the stringent HSE rules that are suposedly in place now.
just tell me then when i can no longer get a job at all because im not cheap labour who will pay my mortgage? i cant afford to work for £5.52 as that wont event cover the mortgages as my tenant had to move out due to loosing his job!
wait till you loose youre job to a man that isnt as qualified as you hasnt had to trane for the the amount of years you have, and will work for half youre wage! see what youre opiniun is then
ive always said since some of the poorer countries were aloud to join the EC (EU) any imigrents that come should be made to have proper training, speak the language and be paid the same rate as the man next to him.
i know of a company in sheffield that has over 100 imigrents working for them right who use translators, how can that comply with current HSE regulations?
also ill think you will find builders cant smoke drink and just chat around due to the stringent HSE rules that are suposedly in place now.
just tell me then when i can no longer get a job at all because im not cheap labour who will pay my mortgage? i cant afford to work for £5.52 as that wont event cover the mortgages as my tenant had to move out due to loosing his job!
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mick
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thats what i mean mate its like saying well guys sorry bnut ure trade dont mean anything anymore sorry
ya get me? im not been racist or what ever im trying to put accros how the fact they let 100's in everyday when there isnt enough jobs for the people already here lol
ya get me? im not been racist or what ever im trying to put accros how the fact they let 100's in everyday when there isnt enough jobs for the people already here lol
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Shaun Cook
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LOL in that case mick...go buy gun lol ill join ya...silly forigners on the road **** me off lol
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mick
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this is an article from the star you might find of interest before people brand me as a ****.
Sheffield workmen laid off for ''cheap' Poles - claim
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16 February 2008
By Tony Belshaw
ANGRY Sheffield tradesmen claim they are being laid off on city building sites in favour of Polish workmen who are cheaper.
More than a quarter of the workforce on some Sheffield building sites are now Polish – and some firms have employed interpreters to help English foremen communicate with them.
Northfield Construction, which is working on several large projects, inADVERTISEMENTcluding the replacement Newfield School in Norton Lees and the Heart of the City projects off Arundel Street, has Polish workers making up more than 25 per cent of its manpower.
Human resources officer Simon Harrison confirmed: "We have got 109 Polish workers out of a workforce of 400. We have interpreters on site, they have an interview, and we have a guy that deals with the Home Office and makes sure they have the right papers.It is simply not true that they are paid less."
But Julian Haines, aged 37, a joiner from Heath, near Chesterfield, said: "I am considering bankruptcy this year. The work is drying up. People are saying, 'You are too dear'.
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He claimed Polish workers were paid on a different system which meant they earned an average of £9 an hour as opposed to English workmen who earn £14 an hour.
Julian said he knew of English workers being laid off on Sheffield building sites only to see their jobs filled immediately with Polish workers.
He said: "All of us are very angry."
Kieren Berney, 33, from School Road, Beighton, is a joiner along with his brother Declan.
He said: "We went round a few building sites and spoke to a site manager asking if they needed any joiners. He said, 'Sorry, but we only take Polish'.
"I know for a fact they are paying them less. I don't have anything against anyone coming over to England to work, but when they are putting English lads out of jobs it's not right. I went to college for three years and have thousands of pounds' worth of tools that I bought out of my own pocket."
Brian Berry, director of external affairs at the Federation of Master Builders, said Polish workers were addressing a gap in skills.
He said: "If it weren't for migrant workers we would be in serious trouble. Construction in this country is at its highest rate since the Second World War. Polish workers are simply filling a gap in the market. We operate in a free economy. If someone is being paid less than another person, as long as they are not being paid below the minimum wage, then that is how the free market works."
Sheffield workmen laid off for ''cheap' Poles - claim
« Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryPublished Date:
16 February 2008
By Tony Belshaw
ANGRY Sheffield tradesmen claim they are being laid off on city building sites in favour of Polish workmen who are cheaper.
More than a quarter of the workforce on some Sheffield building sites are now Polish – and some firms have employed interpreters to help English foremen communicate with them.
Northfield Construction, which is working on several large projects, inADVERTISEMENTcluding the replacement Newfield School in Norton Lees and the Heart of the City projects off Arundel Street, has Polish workers making up more than 25 per cent of its manpower.
Human resources officer Simon Harrison confirmed: "We have got 109 Polish workers out of a workforce of 400. We have interpreters on site, they have an interview, and we have a guy that deals with the Home Office and makes sure they have the right papers.It is simply not true that they are paid less."
But Julian Haines, aged 37, a joiner from Heath, near Chesterfield, said: "I am considering bankruptcy this year. The work is drying up. People are saying, 'You are too dear'.
What do you think? Post your comments below.
He claimed Polish workers were paid on a different system which meant they earned an average of £9 an hour as opposed to English workmen who earn £14 an hour.
Julian said he knew of English workers being laid off on Sheffield building sites only to see their jobs filled immediately with Polish workers.
He said: "All of us are very angry."
Kieren Berney, 33, from School Road, Beighton, is a joiner along with his brother Declan.
He said: "We went round a few building sites and spoke to a site manager asking if they needed any joiners. He said, 'Sorry, but we only take Polish'.
"I know for a fact they are paying them less. I don't have anything against anyone coming over to England to work, but when they are putting English lads out of jobs it's not right. I went to college for three years and have thousands of pounds' worth of tools that I bought out of my own pocket."
Brian Berry, director of external affairs at the Federation of Master Builders, said Polish workers were addressing a gap in skills.
He said: "If it weren't for migrant workers we would be in serious trouble. Construction in this country is at its highest rate since the Second World War. Polish workers are simply filling a gap in the market. We operate in a free economy. If someone is being paid less than another person, as long as they are not being paid below the minimum wage, then that is how the free market works."
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klemster
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Some of your comments are quite offensive Mick, and using the Star to back up your case doesn't do any good to be honest!!
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Roberto
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Daily Star ? That unbiased, right wing rag ! No surprises there then.
The last paragraph makes sense though. Consumers (that us lot) are demanding lower prices, therefore, for companies to stay in business, they need to do the jobs cheaper, therefore they need to reduce their costs and with commodities costing more, the only thing that can be reduced is the labour costs, and if people from outside the UK are prepared to work for that, that's where the employers will get their workforce from. As he says, that's what a free market economy is all about.
As for me being worried about my job being taken by "immigrants", I constantly develop and increase my knowledge and skills set so I maintain my employability and keep myself at the top of my game.
My company employs many immigrants, from Asia and Eastern Europe, not because they are cheap, but because they are highly skilled programmers and developers and are best for the job.
And that, my friend, is the key.
Rob
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The last paragraph makes sense though. Consumers (that us lot) are demanding lower prices, therefore, for companies to stay in business, they need to do the jobs cheaper, therefore they need to reduce their costs and with commodities costing more, the only thing that can be reduced is the labour costs, and if people from outside the UK are prepared to work for that, that's where the employers will get their workforce from. As he says, that's what a free market economy is all about.
As for me being worried about my job being taken by "immigrants", I constantly develop and increase my knowledge and skills set so I maintain my employability and keep myself at the top of my game.
My company employs many immigrants, from Asia and Eastern Europe, not because they are cheap, but because they are highly skilled programmers and developers and are best for the job.
And that, my friend, is the key.
Rob
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mick
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im leaving this cos its obviusly its coming accross the rong way, end of day the country is in trouble and some people just cant see it.
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Roberto
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I'd say it's people looking for excuses and someone to blame for their own inadequacies.
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Anonymous
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" i think you will find some times matey spelling cant be helped! for reasons that are out of one's control! "
Not that dyslexia ******** again!
Where's Tom when you need him to knock that on the head?
Not that dyslexia ******** again!
Where's Tom when you need him to knock that on the head?
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Anonymous
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as the son of an imigrant too. i agree with everything you stated in your last comment Roberto about constantly developing skills to stay on top of your game. jobs are very competitive and to stand out from others you need the edge! i have spken to bosses of a few firms in regards to this before, and their answer is that alot of foreign workers are willing to get stuck in and give it a try, they do the hrs and dont go off sick.. now although that is generalising the british workforce...you can see their point. look at the uk sickness levels and what it costs the government and other working people.that puts strain on nhs and other organisations. if no-one is filling this jobs then they have to look from other areas.
It is not about Race, but about willingness to adapt and learn -and it seems that we do ourselves no favours(british) when it comes down to trying-experimenting with differnet things.
There is a general consensus that once you turn 18 you can go on the dole and claim job seekers!!! WHY -90% of the kids have never worked day in their life and we are giving them money??? to sit on asses for next 10 yrs while we support them through their rough times!!
And Mick -Bankrupcy has nothing to do with this...try living within your means and you would have no cause to go bankrupt! -do you personally need several mortgages??
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It is not about Race, but about willingness to adapt and learn -and it seems that we do ourselves no favours(british) when it comes down to trying-experimenting with differnet things.
There is a general consensus that once you turn 18 you can go on the dole and claim job seekers!!! WHY -90% of the kids have never worked day in their life and we are giving them money??? to sit on asses for next 10 yrs while we support them through their rough times!!
And Mick -Bankrupcy has nothing to do with this...try living within your means and you would have no cause to go bankrupt! -do you personally need several mortgages??
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