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Daz155HGT

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Thinking of changing my OS to Linux...

Just wondered if anyone here is using it, or had any experience of it...

I was thinking of using Mandrake's distribution...

Daz
 
dont use it mate i tried it and its so stupidly slow to process ANYTHING! not much you cant do on windows xp! thats the best at the moment!
 
I've used it, and tried various distributions of it. Mainly Red Hat 9 and a few "live" versions that run directly off your CD.

It's really good if you know what you're doing. Unlike Windows, you do need to know exactly what to install. Not a lot is automatic, where as Windows takes care of a lot of the fiddly stuff for you. But then this is why Linux is very popular with experts and "geeks" ;) Using Linux, it is all open source and you can mess around with the source code, if you feel that way inclined.

If I were you, I'd install it on a different PC to your usual one, run it alongside and see what you think. Or you can go for a "live" distro that runs directly from a CD, like Knoppix.

Try these sites...

http://www.knoppix.net

http://www.ibiblio.org/peanut

http://www.debian.org

http://www.dynebolic.org (this one is really good for multimedia production)

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org

http://www.morphix.org/modules/news

I have loads more links and stuff. Drop me an email and I can give you more help :)
 
Thanks for the reply's guys...

In the meantime i've downloaded it and installed it on my second hard drive...(This new 450kbs download speed is fantastic :):):))

But i think i made a cock-up :(

During the installation it asked for a username, and it said if you leave this blank this can be set up later...so i did...

Now it boots, asks me for a username (which i havent got), and won't let me continue without it...

Daz
 
Linux uses passwords to log on as either a "root" user (admin) or just a regular user. Difficult to say what to do without seeing how you installed it, so maybe try installing the OS again. I found a really good book like Red Hat Linux Bible or Linux for Dummies was really handy, plus they usually come with distro on a few CD's or DVD.

Rob



 
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Tom had it...it was "Root" :)

Books? BOOKS? Whats the fun in that...lol

Just have to try and set up an internet connection now...

Daz
 
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Why exactly do you want Linux? apart from the fact it's both free AND legal?
There are very few available apps apart from office type ones and browsers etc. Fewer drivers for hardware (no money in it for manufacturers)

I admit that Longhorn is looking as though it's gonna be so strapped down that we'll all be looking for alternatives eventually, but that's nearly 2 years off

M
 
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I've used a beta version of Longhorn, about a year ago or maybe more now.

I know it's a beta version but absolutely nothing works on it, but surely it's based on the xp source coding hence it looking so much like xp?

Strange stuff...


I can only assume that the final release version will work like xp too :)
 
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I was a beta tester for XP a few years back, and the XP beta was diabolical ! But then I guess that's why it was a beta :) Anyway, by the time the finished article came out, it was greatly improved.

Regarding Linux, you'd be surprised at how much support and software there is out there now. With Novell buying out Suse and commiting to developing a Linux offering and IBM now rolling their Linux service out, Linux is a totally viable option. I admit, it has nowhere near as much apps for it as Windows, but it has stuff like OpenOffice which gives MS Office a run for it's money and a whole load of other software that make it a potential roll out option in the office client desktop environment. There's no doubting it's web hosting potential and server based applications. It still suffers from lack of automation when it comes to installs and set ups, but that's the main reason why it is favoured by people who want complete control over their systems and infrastructure. They can tweak the OS to their needs if necessary, write improved & personalised drivers for their individual requirements and have total control over the delivery of their electronic workplace. It's a long, long way off being a serious challenger to Windows. In fact, I can see them living side by side, quite happily, each serving their own unique client base.

The Windows v Linux debate will rage on & on, but at least we have a choice as to what we run and how we use it. And with Linux being free, you can't go wrong if you try it and don't like it :)

P.S. Can you tell I work in IT Implementation ;)

Rob



 
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being a next next next next next person, i've never tried it! lol
 
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I think if you need to ask what benefit linux will give you then its not for you.

For everyday desktop use windows still unfortunately rules. For servers and development its linux all the way.
 
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personally i think linex sucks... i tried it last year and couldnt get on with it... its a more reliable operating system once u get running... some things r tricky and games tend not to run on linex.... e.g counter strike didnt use to work untill they released the linex version... my m8 has got it on 1 of his pcs and he swears by it but its not for me...

Smee
 
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Just a note on Longhorn. It's Waaaay off in the distance now... Apparently it's been delayed so badly that they're going to release XP Reloaded (I sh*t you not) a new version of XP with loads of bugs fixed. No change to the GUI or kernel but as it's a new version it will not be a free upgrade. This way they can spend an extra couple of years on Longhorn.
 
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Well, "linex" (sic) is not a gaming platform, altho' you can get some half decent emulators for it. As Tom says, it's great for web servers and corporate deployment. Windows is still the king in many environments, and Linux is a long way off ever getting close to Windows in the home. In actual fact, I don't think it is ever intended to challenge Uncle Bill in that department anyway.

Use Linux (how hard is it to spell a five letter word?) for web design, web deployment and electronic workplace deployment. That's what it's good for :)

Rob



 
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Ooops, just checked and the latest is that they WON'T be doing the XP Reloaded as rumoured. Instead they're going to jettison some of the claimed features and rush Longhorn out on time.. business as usual then :)
 
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Windows Longhorn, the new OS in development by Microsoft, is going to include TC technology, and it's not a good thing. Simple processes that allowed you to modify your computer will be stripped away, and all control is going to be taken from the user and given to the government (or whatever other company can get their greasy hands on it).

1. What is TC - this `trusted computing' business?

The Trusted Computing Group (TCG) is an alliance of Microsoft, Intel, IBM, HP and AMD which promotes a standard for a `more secure' PC. Their definition of `security' is controversial; machines built according to their specification will be more trustworthy from the point of view of software vendors and the content industry, but will be less trustworthy from the point of view of their owners. In effect, the TCG specification will transfer the ultimate control of your PC from you to whoever wrote the software it happens to be running. (Yes, even more so than at present.)

The TCG project is known by a number of names. `Trusted computing' was the original one, and is still used by IBM, while Microsoft calls it `trustworthy computing' and the Free Software Foundation calls it `treacherous computing'. Hereafter I'll just call it TC, which you can pronounce according to taste. Other names you may see include TCPA (TCG's name before it incorporated), Palladium (the old Microsoft name for the version due to ship in 2004) and NGSCB (the new Microsoft name). Intel has just started calling it `safer computing'. Many observers believe that this confusion is deliberate - the promoters want to deflect attention from what TC actually does.


2. What does TC do, in ordinary English?

TC provides a computing platform on which you can't tamper with the application software, and where these applications can communicate securely with their authors and with each other. The original motivation was digital rights management (DRM): Disney will be able to sell you DVDs that will decrypt and run on a TC platform, but which you won't be able to copy. The music industry will be able to sell you music downloads that you won't be able to swap. They will be able to sell you CDs that you'll only be able to play three times, or only on your birthday. All sorts of new marketing possibilities will open up.

TC will also make it much harder for you to run unlicensed software. In the first version of TC, pirate software could be detected and deleted remotely. Since then, Microsoft has sometimes denied that it intended TC to do this, but at WEIS 2003 a senior Microsoft manager refused to deny that fighting piracy was a goal: `Helping people to run stolen software just isn't our aim in life', he said. The mechanisms now proposed are more subtle, though. TC will protect application software registration mechanisms, so that unlicensed software will be locked out of the new ecology. Furthermore, TC apps will work better with other TC apps, so people will get less value from old non-TC apps (including pirate apps). Also, some TC apps may reject data from old apps whose serial numbers have been blacklisted. If Microsoft believes that your copy of Office is a pirate copy, and your local government moves to TC, then the documents you file with them may be unreadable. TC will also make it easier for people to rent software rather than buy it; and if you stop paying the rent, then not only does the software stop working but so may the files it created. So if you stop paying for upgrades to Media Player, you may lose access to all the songs you bought using it.

For years, Bill Gates has dreamed of finding a way to make the Chinese pay for software: TC looks like being the answer to his prayer.

There are many other possibilities. Governments will be able to arrange things so that all Word documents created on civil servants' PCs are `born classified' and can't be leaked electronically to journalists. Auction sites might insist that you use trusted proxy software for bidding, so that you can't bid tactically at the auction. Cheating at computer games could be made more difficult.

There are some gotchas too. For example, TC can support remote censorship. In its simplest form, applications may be designed to delete pirated music under remote control. For example, if a protected song is extracted from a hacked TC platform and made available on the web as an MP3 file, then TC-compliant media player software may detect it using a watermark, report it, and be instructed remotely to delete it (as well as all other material that came through that platform). This business model, called traitor tracing, has been researched extensively by Microsoft (and others). In general, digital objects created using TC systems remain under the control of their creators, rather than under the control of the person who owns the machine on which they happen to be stored (as at present). So someone who writes a paper that a court decides is defamatory can be compelled to censor it - and the software company that wrote the word processor could be ordered to do the deletion if she refuses. Given such possibilities, we can expect TC to be used to suppress everything from pornography to writings that criticise political leaders.

The gotcha for businesses is that your software suppliers can make it much harder for you to switch to their competitors' products. At a simple level, Word could encrypt all your documents using keys that only Microsoft products have access to; this would mean that you could only read them using Microsoft products, not with any competing word processor. Such blatant lock-in might be prohibited by the competition authorities, but there are subtler lock-in strategies that are much harder to regulate. (I'll explain some of them below.)

3. So I won't be able to play MP3s on my computer any more?

With existing MP3s, you may be all right for some time. Microsoft says that TC won't make anything suddenly stop working. But a recent software update for Windows Media Player has caused controversy by insisting that users agree to future anti-piracy measures, which may include measures that delete pirated content found on your computer. Also, some programs that give people more control over their PCs, such as VMware and Total Recorder, are not going to work properly under TC. So you may have to use a different player - and if your player will play pirate MP3s, then it may not be authorised to play the new, protected, titles.

It is up to an application to set the security policy for its files, using an online policy server. So Media Player will determine what sort of conditions get attached to protected titles. I expect Microsoft will do all sorts of deals with the content providers, who will experiment with all sorts of business models. You might get CDs that are a third of the price but which you can only play three times; if you pay the other two-thirds, you'd get full rights. You might be allowed to lend your copy of some digital music to a friend, but then your own backup copy won't be playable until your friend gives you the main copy back. More likely, you'll not be able to lend music at all. Creeping digital lockdown will make life inconvenient in many niggling ways; for example, regional coding might stop you watching the Polish version of a movie if your PC was bought outside Europe.

This could all be done today - Microsoft would just have to download a patch into your player - but once TC makes it hard for people to tamper with the player software, and easy for Microsoft and the music industry to control what players will work at all with new releases, it will be harder for you to escape. Control of media player software is so important that the EU antitrust authorities are proposing to penalise Microsoft for its anticompetitive behaviour by compelling it to unbundle Media Player, or include competing players in Windows. TC will greatly increase the depth and scope of media control.

4. How does TC work?

TC provides for a monitoring and reporting component to be mounted in future PCs. The preferred implementation in the first phase of TC emphasised the role of a `Fritz' chip - a smartcard chip or dongle soldered to the motherboard. The current version has five components - the Fritz chip, a `curtained memory' feature in the CPU, a security kernel in the operating system (the `Nexus' in Microsoft language), a security kernel in each TC application (the `NCA' in Microsoft-speak) and a back-end infrastructure of online security servers maintained by hardware and software vendors to tie the whole thing together.

The initial version of TC had Fritz supervising the boot process, so that the PC ended up in a predictable state, with known hardware and software. The current version has Fritz as a passive monitoring component that stores the hash of the machine state on start-up. This hash is computed using details of the hardware (audio card, video card etc) and the software (O/S, drivers, etc). If the machine ends up in the approved state, Fritz will make available to the operating system the cryptographic keys needed to decrypt TC applications and data. If it ends up in the wrong state, the hash will be wrong and Fritz won't release the right key. The machine may still be able to run non-TC apps and access non-TC data, but protected material will be unavailable.
 
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Note that through TC Gates is attempting to attack unliscensed software, not just pirtated. You can think about the implications of that - 'dark' is the word that comes to my mind

Perhaps with this sort of development in the world of Windows, the role of Linux or Linspire (Lindows) will change and grow into a genuine alternative rather than a niche product.

I know it sounds a bit 1984-ish, but TC is clearly just the next step of many in that direction - you can easily imagine a situation up the road where you can either opt into the MS Federation or hang out with the Linux rebels :)

We would NOT accept this situation in ANY other area of life. What if Ford was the only official car accounting for 95% of cars on the road, would only run on one sort of petrol and automatically transmitted information about your journies etc. Every 3 years or so the current Ford model is scrapped, the petrol is changed so it won't run in the old model, parts are withdrawn and everyone is forced to buy the new model...etc etc

Then you have this loose-knit gang of mechanics/modders putting together cars from old bits that'll run on anything

They'd probably set up a forum...
 
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I don't know who you are, but that is funny :)

I love the "rebel" v "federation" analogy LOL

Yes, TC has been talked about a lot these past couple of years. DRM is already out there and being successfully used to limit file sharing, but as always, people find a way around it. I used to work in the video industry, and I remember them claiming that Region coding was going to stop piracy and look what happened there !! I have 6 machines in my house that play DVD's (1 Desktop, 1 Laptop, 2 dedicated players and 2 PS2's), and all of them are multi region !! LOL

I remember when Intel came up with the chip ID, an individual number that could be fed back to Intel. That got axed because of the furore. Hopefully, if enough people kick up about TC, we can get that changed too.

Visit http://www.againsttcpa.com/ for more info

Rob



 

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