Technical Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

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Technical Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

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One of our technicians has found out about the speed limit and how it applies toa Doblo, the hardway.

He has been done for doing 71mph on a dual carriageway.... in a Doblo Cargo 1.9 m-jet. He saw the camera van and sat at what he thought was bang on the speed limit, until the ticket came through to the office..

Here is why..

The speed limit for a car or car derived van up to 2000kg GVW* or Max Laden Weight is 70mph on a dual carraigeway
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm#103

The Doblo Cargo 1.9 m-jet sx GVW is 2010kg and therefore the limit is 60mph
http://www.fiat.co.uk/cgi-bin/pbran...ection.jsp?session=no&categoryOID=-1073787853

so 3 points and a £60 fine for being 10kg over the threshold - how harsh is that considering the guy was doing what he thought was bang on the speed limit! This also reduces the speed on single carraigeways too!

The Cargo 1.3 m-jet is bang on 2000kg

We are trying to find out if this affects the MPV version as the kerb weight of the 1.9SX is 1430kg, which only leaves 570kg, but I dont know how this is calculated, if at all in additional payload

Before anyone bangs on about that he should have known about the speed limit for a van - I am an advanced driver (IAM) and have to admit it never occured to me to check this!

*GVW is Kerb weight + Payload
 
No, it doesnt work like that. The van doesnt have to be carryng the max weight, its just that its capable of it and hence the max GVW figure. He was no where near 2 tonnes, probably only about 1500kg, it makes no difference :-(
 
Oink Oink Kerching! Kerching!

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I suppose they need the money to buy more doughnuts the lazy fat b@st@rds!
 
Indeed a lot of people could get caught out however I think this is wrong. Only recently were the laws changed so that truck drivers are limited to 56mph on the motorway of trucks over 7.5ton so why would a 2ton Doblo be limited to 60mph?

I'll do some research but keep us updated, and I'll make it a sticky :)
 
er, the post i responded to dissapeared!

Any vehicle with a max capable weight (doesnt have to be carrying it) under 2000kg (2 tonnes) can do 70mph on a dual carraigeway.

Any goods vehicle up to 7500kg (i.e. over 2000kg and under 7500kg) can do 60mph on a dual carriageway

Good vehicles over 7500kg can only do 50mph

The Doblo Cargo 1.9 has a max capapble weight of 2010kg - 10kg over so fits in the centre section. This is why he has been done, and on paper they are right to do him unfortunately. We have rung the "safety" camera scheme and been told this as well!
 
Just checked the Fiat sales leaflet for Mrs_G's 1.9 JTD sx.

GVW 1935Kg. This is made up of a kerb weight of 1310Kg without driver plus a payload of 625Kg including driver.

Looks like the m-jet versions are a bit heavier than the older JTD models.

Fiat seem to have let their eye off the ball on this.

To be honest I'm surprised your guy was being done. I spent a year in ignorance driving my 3.5 ton van at car speeds until I started doing my IAM motorcycle training. It was only when I looked again at the highway code that I realised I had been braking the law.

I raised the matter with the IAM examiner, a serving police motorcyclist, when I took my test. I was interested to know how 'lucky' I had been in not getting any speeding tickets. He said that he tends to take a pragmatic view of the situation - If they enforced all speed limits the roads would come to grinding halt - HGVs of 7.5 tons or more are limited to 40mph on single carriageways, can you imgine the queues behind a string of them?

Perhaps Fiat should be asked to issue a recall on the effected Doblos. They all need to have their 'faulty' VIN plates replaced with modified ones that state a GVW of 2000Kg. Easy!
 
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WARNING TO ALL DOBLO PASSENGER VERSION VEHICLES

THIS SPEED LIMIT DOES AFFECT YOU ON A DUAL CARRIDGEWAY, THE 1.9JTD DOBLO WEIGHS IN AT 2.2ton GVW!!!

Easy Tiger! You'll pop a nut like that!

I have the 2004 sales booklet for the passenger versions.

1.2 sx
Gross Vehicle Weight: 1775 Kg

1.9D sx
Gross Vehicle Weight: 1845 Kg

1.9JTD sx/elx
Gross Vehicle Weight: 1875 Kg

I can scan the relevant pages for the sales leaflets for car/cargo and email them to anyone who wants them.

Calmed down now Oz????
 
Hmm that's strange Niall, as my axle weights are plated as 1000kg front and 1200kg rear that's a total of 2200kg hence why you have to have the correctly rated tyres for the axle. I'll check out my plate under the bonnet in the morning but I'm sure it states the axles and then the gross is something like 1123kg?? :rolleyes:
 
Hmm that's strange Niall, as my axle weights are plated as 1000kg front and 1200kg rear that's a total of 2200kg hence why you have to have the correctly rated tyres for the axle. I'll check out my plate under the bonnet in the morning but I'm sure it states the axles and then the gross is something like 1123kg?? :rolleyes:


Don't add the axle weights. The kerb weight is always less. My 3.5 ton van would be a 3.9 ton van if I added the axle weights together.
 
Ahh I'll delete my post then. I'll make another post and sticky that so that people know straight away what will and won't be able to do 70.

Sorry everyone, and sorry Niall for doubting you ;)
 
Gents,
The latest 06/07 brochure (new shape) states
1.9 multijet (120) dynamic GVW is 1940 kg
However it looks like the family version is 2030kg
 
hello

just got the manual out found it under a crate of Bud , my manual covers 01-05 , the more ugly front end one ..... hey put ugly betty + a dobbin side by side ... sisters !!!!! (or sister and brother) ...

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looking through the weights the only ones which would be affected by the over 2000 kg rule would be mostly the extra capacity / high roof and combi versions..... to much work to list them all... :eek:

Noteably not the standard cargo 1.9jtd which is 1935 kg.... :)
 
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