http://www.fiatprofessionalpress.com/index.php?lng=2&group=4&method=cartelle&action=zoom&id=4580

looks good

new powerful engines (135 HP)
a lot of improvements in safety, comfort and fuel savings.

Yep: looks good. This is from the Italiaspeed site.

Try and find out if they've improved the wiper mechanism and the clutches. These are particularly weak on the present car.

My fear is that as it's a re-bodied (and suspended ) version of the current Doblo such 'details' will be overlooked.

But I live in hope.

Looks good, even the wife likes it, used to have an 05 doblo and she hated it, wife is thinking of trading the ulysse in for one!
well done fiat.

how good douse that look, i think in red that is the best looking van on sale

I really don't like the way the driver's space seems to be more crowded.
The gear looks to come out of a pod which appears to be bigger than the old one.
And what have they done with the radio? I do hope the radio etc is a serious piece of kit and not just a cheapo radio/cd player else it looks really difficult to swap out.

Good to read that the whole thing is bigger all round but it would be interesting to read real world figures for fuel consumption, especially on the 135hp diesel (and how environmentally aware is the big engine? will it accept veg oil?)

absolutly stunning looking effort from fiat

i just bought myself a house, so no trade in for me

I really don't like the way the driver's space seems to be more crowded.
The gear looks to come out of a pod which appears to be bigger than the old one.
And what have they done with the radio? I do hope the radio etc is a serious piece of kit and not just a cheapo radio/cd player else it looks really difficult to swap out.

Good to read that the whole thing is bigger all round but it would be interesting to read real world figures for fuel consumption, especially on the 135hp diesel (and how environmentally aware is the big engine? will it accept veg oil?)

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It's an update of the present car, so much of the architecture is identical. Any extra space is due to a lengthened wheelbase, and I expect a small overall length increase. I haven't checked the published size details, but I think Berlingo etc. sales have dropped partly because the car has grown too big , and increased in price. Italy, one of the main markets, doesn't need ever larger cars because many of the roads quite literally cannot contain them.

I hope it handles a bit better, is a bit quieter, and much more economical. I see that the 1.3 Diesel is in there, and I believe the other one is the 1.6; with no 2.0. (No veg oil option either).

Doubtless it will be expensive though, since the smaller Qubo is already dear. The pound it practically at parity with the Euro now, and the Turkish Lira has also gained slightly against our impoverished currency, so I'm afraid all cars, and imported goods in general (except from China where they link the Yuan to the nearly bankrupt dollar) will get ever more costly - for us

I expect fuel prices to at least double in the nest two years and so I am not thinking of spending money on a new car either; instead I will make the old bus last a few years longer, and then probably give up on cars altogether, unless they can sell me a 100mpg+ thing at an affordable price.

on the italian website you can alreday configure the new car.
it's more than an update, an almost total redesign, I think only the seats and the old 1.3 multijet (now with more power) remain untouched.

The rear suspension, slide doors, mirrors, safety systems, engines (new 16V 1.4 and 1.6 / 2,0 multijets, start-stop-systems), gear system (6 gears avaible) and comfort options (air condition, speed control, remote control for radio, mirror electric foldable) are all new developements !

Here some hard facts:

1.3 Multijet: 90 hp, Euro4, 5 gear, 200NM, 4,9 Liters/100km, CO2 129g

1.6 Multijet: 105, Euro5, 6 gear , 290NM, 5,2 Liters, CO2 138g

2.0 Multijet: 135hp, Euro5, 6 gear, 320NM, 5,7 Liters, CO2 150g

1.4 petrol: 95 hp, Euro5, 5 gear, 127NM, 7,2 Liters, CO2 166g

length: 4,39 (long version 4,75m)
width: 1,78
heigh: 1,84m

16 inch wheels 195 tires
wheelbase 2,79m

Thanks for the details, I'm afraid I was too lazy to look on the site again .

I do however consider it really only a very enhanced update, since all the hard points of the body and interior remain the same. The new body and engineering developments have been applied to the carcass of the old car. Nothing wrong with that as the present car is very good. It will of course look, and drive, like a completely new car.

A wholly new chassis would have been pointless and unaffordable anyway.
54 mpg from the 1.6 isn't bad, but I need far more from my next car.

They should offer a petrol tubo of 135bhp (Multiair).

I really like the flexibility of the fine details. Doing lots of motorway mileage with cruise control will be a God send for me, never mind proper climate control!

Alex

malibu_2004 said:

on the italian website you can alreday configure the new car.
it's more than an update, an almost total redesign, I think only the seats and the old 1.3 multijet (now with more power) remain untouched.

The rear suspension, slide doors, mirrors, safety systems, engines (new 16V 1.4 and 1.6 / 2,0 multijets, start-stop-systems), gear system (6 gears avaible) and comfort options (air condition, speed control, remote control for radio, mirror electric foldable) are all new developements !

Here some hard facts:

1.3 Multijet: 90 hp, Euro4, 5 gear, 200NM, 4,9 Liters/100km, CO2 129g

1.6 Multijet: 105, Euro5, 6 gear , 290NM, 5,2 Liters, CO2 138g

2.0 Multijet: 135hp, Euro5, 6 gear, 320NM, 5,7 Liters, CO2 150g

1.4 petrol: 95 hp, Euro5, 5 gear, 127NM, 7,2 Liters, CO2 166g

length: 4,39 (long version 4,75m)
width: 1,78
heigh: 1,84m

16 inch wheels 195 tires
wheelbase 2,79m

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What is a 'stop - start' system?
Thanks in advance

None of those engines incorporates the latest Multiair or MultijetII technology, so I am not interested.

Stop/start switches the engine off when you stop in traffic, and restarts it automatically. Don't ask me to explain in detail because there are a million posts on the site about it, and on the net generally.

Sorry for my abruptness by the way; I'm in a stinking mood.

Overall – it looks nice.

However…..I do not like the sloping shoulder of the vehicle. It may look more modern, but it is at the expense of visibility, particularly through the rear window above the boot area. I think this would be a nice blind spot.

I was quite interested in a Qubo, and I'm afraid the same applies to the Qubo styling.

Also, I would not buy any diesel engine at the moment which has a DPF fitted. I have had one experience with a DPF in a Peugeot, and that was enough thanks!

http://www.netcarshow.com/fiat/2010-doblo/

Just in case nobody has seen the interior.

Considering the trouble there is with DPF Fiat is probably sensible keeping its new engines away from the commercial vehicles.
It may be a marketing thing that fleet buyers etc do not want either, maybe the servicing costs are higher aswell as the original purchase price.

Fiat do not want to follow the Berlingo down the line of being priced against the proper MPV, with in the case of this will be the new 7seat Multipla replacement.


I have just found out what it looks like (other than strange), an overblown Suzuki Alto.

I think it will have DPF filters; pollution controls practically necessitate them. I'm just sorry it doesn't have the latest Multiair and Multijet engines.

I do think it is a good idea that they have simply done a thorough upgrade on the present car though, there isn't much wrong with it. You can see that all the hard points are identical from looking at the dash and front seats. The falling belt line just takes a point at the back and cuts to the lowest point on the present car's front door as well. Clever, and sharpens it up a bit.
Longer wheelbase and coils at the back will be interesting. 16" wheels will help towards a better ground clearance too. But, given the price of the Qubo this will be an expensive car.

Until we see them side by side I dont think there we can say it is a heavily revised current Doblo.
The screen seem to rake back more but that might be just the photos. Chances are the crash structure has changed, all of the rear chassis area will have been reworked and all of the sheet metal has changed.

The only part that might possibly be a carry over is bulkhead but no photos will show that. Its likely the dimensions/dash styling etc have not changed because Fiat believe they got them right the first time. Its also likely the same team worked on it.

I think you can tell from the appearance and interior that most of the hard points are identical. Yes, there will be big modifications to the chassis, and modified pressings and reinforced steels for strength, but just look at that dash and gear position, and the hanging rail for the rear side doors: everything's just where it was. This is no coincidence. New pressings don't cost too much, hence car styling updates every few years; designing a whole new floor pan and inner structure from scratch, however, is prohibitively expensive, which is why the new Doblo shares so much DNA with the present one.

Ulpian said:

I think you can tell from the appearance and interior that most of the hard points are identical. Yes, there will be big modifications to the chassis, and modified pressings and reinforced steels for strength, but just look at that dash and gear position, and the hanging rail for the rear side doors: everything's just where it was. This is no coincidence. New pressings don't cost too much, hence car styling updates every few years; designing a whole new floor pan and inner structure from scratch, however, is prohibitively expensive, which is why the new Doblo shares so much DNA with the present one.

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Click http://www.n24.de/news/newsitem_5658579.html to see more real photos...
text says only 3% of the materials untouched - cannot believe that!

Thanks for the post. I read it in translation, and many of the facts were simply wrong. It isn't 11 inches wider for a start!

I'll stick with my premise that this is a heavily reworked version of the present car, since everything in the photos screams this fact.

However; the prices! C. £17,000 for the Basic Diesel. Is THIS correct I wonder. If so, the new Doblo has just left its market in Britain behind?

I've just found this: looks like the 1.3 is Multijet2, but I haven't read it all yet...

http://www.netcarshow.com/fiat/2010-doblo/