i was jus driving my car,and a subaru imprezza wrx was infront of me ( s reg) anyway he kept revvin his car so i revved mine and my car sounded much nicer and louder-anyway we get a bit of empty road and he puts his foot down and i was epecting him to leave me but i put my foot down and i was bumper to bumper! so i wanted to know is a 20vt quicker then a subaru wrx??
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In one word YES!, however they will have a slight edge on bends due to the 4WD.
But try and keep it off the roads
. Plenty of Track days to go on where you can pi** all over them all day and completely legal!
But try and keep it off the roads
. Plenty of Track days to go on where you can pi** all over them all day and completely legal!
I agree the 20vt should be faster that a 4wd2000 and maybe a wrx.
I have been in a coupe with just a chip and eshast and we was beating 03 wrx sti wagon, not just beating it but it wernt even close.
This was in france on a strech of road were you can legaly max your car.
5 cars of us went and the sti we beat was one of our mates who come with us.
The only reason we went to france was to go on that road, ended up more hassle than it was worth.[lol]
what mods you got on your coupe alfaromeo?
I have been in a coupe with just a chip and eshast and we was beating 03 wrx sti wagon, not just beating it but it wernt even close.
This was in france on a strech of road were you can legaly max your car.
5 cars of us went and the sti we beat was one of our mates who come with us.
The only reason we went to france was to go on that road, ended up more hassle than it was worth.[lol]
what mods you got on your coupe alfaromeo?
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its the wide torque band that suprises alot of people, the coop never looses any torque at the top, infact it gets better
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Aye its got a Phase Variator on the Inlet Camshaft just like the TwinSpark Alfa engines :slayer:
Standard vs standard the coupé is faster, not 0-60 due to the superior traction off the line for the Scooby. Even the STi is going to fall behind beyond 100.
A remapped coop will do 5.3 to 5.9 seconds to sixty if you can nail a perfect launch, a scooby will do 5 seconds flat in any conditions. A standard coop takes about six. It's not launching that these cars are brutal at it's once rolling.
Got a high top end too, 155 is faster the alot of rival cars 2 or 4wd drive.
These cars a brutel thru 4th and 5th gear all the way to 155 on a standard car.
I should expect even just a chip would improve everything slightly or more so.
As for the 0-60 in 5.7 donnylad, the stats I have read on a standard coupe are...
20vt-0-62 5.9, 6.1 and 6.2 top end-155mph
16vt 0-62 6.5 and 6.7 top end 142mph and 149mph
for you alfaromeo/scooby 4wd 2000 215 bhp 0-62 5.6 and 5.7 top end 139mph and 140mph
Which of the above is acerate I dont know?
These cars a brutel thru 4th and 5th gear all the way to 155 on a standard car.
I should expect even just a chip would improve everything slightly or more so.
As for the 0-60 in 5.7 donnylad, the stats I have read on a standard coupe are...
20vt-0-62 5.9, 6.1 and 6.2 top end-155mph
16vt 0-62 6.5 and 6.7 top end 142mph and 149mph
for you alfaromeo/scooby 4wd 2000 215 bhp 0-62 5.6 and 5.7 top end 139mph and 140mph
Which of the above is acerate I dont know?
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Well BHP and Top Speed and Torque and Acceleration mean nothing in real terms other than bench test figures.
One can configure any combination of the above to deliver (coupled with gearbox ratios), say fastest 0-62mph but a top spead of only 80mph or a top spead of 180mph but rubbish acceleration.
What is important is driveability and this is very specific to application. Drag racing, circuit racing, fast road, pulling power (girls/boys or train weight) etc.
Fast Road is probably the best average overall compromise/optimisation most people will want to make and this goes hand-in-hand with decent handling, roadholding and tractability.
The Strada Abarth 130TC is actually well known for being one of the best ever "point to point" cars one can drive on open, varied, etc. roads. There are some other out there including the old VW Golf, Lotus Sunbeam, Ford RS1600/2000. None of these cars claimed legendary "performance car" status but they were/are still capable of putting shame to many more modern tuned/sup'd up vehicles.
When you consider the Strada's a 130BHP, Torgue of 130 foot pounds, top seed of 122mph and 0-62mph (100km) of 7.9 seconds (many correctly tuned ones achieve 7.5 seconds) you wonder why / how it can actually hold its own against many many other more powerfull, faster, etc. etc. cars.
The Fiat Turbo Coupe (both 16V and 20V) cars was the first ever really driveable Turbo car. Driveability from 0 rpm to 6000rpm. Never the highest torque or power but a pure and clean delivery for just about all fast road applications. This is well documented.
Lets be really realistic here. Fiat, BMW, Subaru, Skoda etc. are in deadly head to head competition with each other in segments of the markets, and for Fiat/Lancia the Strada Abarth, HP Turbo, Coupe, Integrale in most cases outshone/equaled their competition for fast performance road cars. All the manufacturers strive very hard, at great expense, to pip the others to the finishing post.
Bottom line is this. Once you have bought a performance car, be it a Fiat Coupe, Subaru Impreza, etc. then you are driving a very good machine (did I say this?) and varying/departing from standard spec. is an acton that requires very, very careful attention to detail and vehicle dynamics understanding to ensure that you are not actually making your car slower. How you measure speed/slower etc. folds back to actual vehicle usage etc.
P.S - Would add that yes in recent years emissions controls/regulations have knobbled many otherwise decent cars/makes and there are opportunities for the modest undoing of some of these performance restricting changes. However innovations like Fiat's Multi-Air technology significantly redress the balance back to the driver and away from "emissions bureaucrats".
One can configure any combination of the above to deliver (coupled with gearbox ratios), say fastest 0-62mph but a top spead of only 80mph or a top spead of 180mph but rubbish acceleration.
What is important is driveability and this is very specific to application. Drag racing, circuit racing, fast road, pulling power (girls/boys or train weight) etc.
Fast Road is probably the best average overall compromise/optimisation most people will want to make and this goes hand-in-hand with decent handling, roadholding and tractability.
The Strada Abarth 130TC is actually well known for being one of the best ever "point to point" cars one can drive on open, varied, etc. roads. There are some other out there including the old VW Golf, Lotus Sunbeam, Ford RS1600/2000. None of these cars claimed legendary "performance car" status but they were/are still capable of putting shame to many more modern tuned/sup'd up vehicles.
When you consider the Strada's a 130BHP, Torgue of 130 foot pounds, top seed of 122mph and 0-62mph (100km) of 7.9 seconds (many correctly tuned ones achieve 7.5 seconds) you wonder why / how it can actually hold its own against many many other more powerfull, faster, etc. etc. cars.
The Fiat Turbo Coupe (both 16V and 20V) cars was the first ever really driveable Turbo car. Driveability from 0 rpm to 6000rpm. Never the highest torque or power but a pure and clean delivery for just about all fast road applications. This is well documented.
Lets be really realistic here. Fiat, BMW, Subaru, Skoda etc. are in deadly head to head competition with each other in segments of the markets, and for Fiat/Lancia the Strada Abarth, HP Turbo, Coupe, Integrale in most cases outshone/equaled their competition for fast performance road cars. All the manufacturers strive very hard, at great expense, to pip the others to the finishing post.
Bottom line is this. Once you have bought a performance car, be it a Fiat Coupe, Subaru Impreza, etc. then you are driving a very good machine (did I say this?) and varying/departing from standard spec. is an acton that requires very, very careful attention to detail and vehicle dynamics understanding to ensure that you are not actually making your car slower. How you measure speed/slower etc. folds back to actual vehicle usage etc.
P.S - Would add that yes in recent years emissions controls/regulations have knobbled many otherwise decent cars/makes and there are opportunities for the modest undoing of some of these performance restricting changes. However innovations like Fiat's Multi-Air technology significantly redress the balance back to the driver and away from "emissions bureaucrats".
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My last but one car was a scooby and although at top end they are lacking.......unless you have at least 350bhp there is no chance.
Front wheel drive is way down the list on acceleration I am afraid and against a 4WD beast....no chance.
Front wheel drive is way down the list on acceleration I am afraid and against a 4WD beast....no chance.
At lower speeds yes FWD is rubbish, and even more so with cornering, but when 40 plus the power can be put down well in the right conditions. So a 4WD with its extra gearbox power loss in a straight line isn't of any advantage.
Anyway RWD is best
Scoobys best turain is off road I think, tho there just as good on road.
But TBH I think the 20vts are faster, Iv seen it sevral times and only the other day i was pushing a wrx scooby up the road.It was about a 1998 i think.
I never raced or seen a race between these cars from still start, but from rolling start if we are talking standard cars the 20vt is faster.
But TBH I think the 20vts are faster, Iv seen it sevral times and only the other day i was pushing a wrx scooby up the road.It was about a 1998 i think.
I never raced or seen a race between these cars from still start, but from rolling start if we are talking standard cars the 20vt is faster.
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A stock coupe 20vt is doing a 0-100 in about 14.5 seconds
Now remember that a FWD application is going to lose about a second against a 4wd on a launch to 60mph
My old stock (before it was chipped) 20vt would hold the tail of a bug eye wrx through second and then be all over one by 3rd.
Now remember that a FWD application is going to lose about a second against a 4wd on a launch to 60mph
My old stock (before it was chipped) 20vt would hold the tail of a bug eye wrx through second and then be all over one by 3rd.
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Spit's wrong about the 4WD. A stage one coupe will rinse all but the most modded Subaru impreza's after the ton. 350BHP? don't be silly. 250BHP is all you'd need.
I have 290 mate and my old scooby which was about 10 bhp less felt much faster....and safer around the twisties
I have 290 mate and my old scooby which was about 10 bhp less felt much faster....and safer around the twisties
a scooby above 40 mph would probably need around 260 bhp to match mid poke of a stock coupe. I think a bugeye wrx is miles off the 0-100 time??
My coupe is nearly 300bhp and a friend with a scooby wrx was shocked at the grunt of the coupe.
However on a wet road the coupe has to be driven with much more care than the forgiving subaru which just goes round bends gripping easily. However in the dry my coupe will be right with it..
as all my wishbones drop links etc are new plus am running a suspension kit. Still though with the coupe you need to be accelerating out the corner as if i go in nose heavy the back will come round.
meaning if its an unknown road then i will be working much harder to stay with a stock subaru
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