,,,,,and its soooooo cool



Notice the transparent windows, the weather is local to me.



And windows aero is ace.

It installed very easily, with no hassle at all. Great stuff.

legit or *cough*?

The 3D affect looks so cool, im waiting untill around 6 months then going for Vista i'll probly be getting the same as you Home Premium.. :slayer:

custard said:

legit or *cough*?

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Genuine Windows Vista 32bit Home Premium OEM

Went to Ebuyer and bought the 1 dvd edition. Was about £70 including VAT. PC world are selling the Upgrade only for around £150

Install was easy, all drivers(most of them anyhow) installed as it went, only problem I have is with TV tuner, it came with PC and I can't get driver anywhere

Hoorahhhhh!!!!! The Xbox 360 is paired with Vista, and the Media Centre looks awesome

its not worth buying just for the flash looks... you can easily make XP look just like your screenshot...

bassy-alex said:

its not worth buying just for the flash looks... you can easily make XP look just like your screenshot...

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I know, I downloaded the skin for XP, but it was more buggy than Vista. With Vista its not about flash looks.

The pc booted up in half the time. Software loads up quicker, and multimedia options are excellent. It is worth getting IMHO

I know what your saying, but I'll definatley wait for a year or so till they get it properly sorted... I also think that a lot of the extra bits are a waste of time... the floating windows and side bar - i know i'll have them turned off because i need my machine to be as fast and efficient as possible (for music production etc...), so really dont see the point in spending money on a graphical upgrade ( )

since the very start of operating systems there has always been strong resistance to new releases. not once in the past have people's concerns been well founded. when will people learn

the vista beta was stable for me for weeks of use, not one bug. reports suggest vista is stable and even secure.

I miss Windows 95..

i miss dos. it wasnt pretty but it was far more satisfying. just creating a batch file made you feel like a genius, and using memmaker to free up system resources to play games was an accomplishment (well ok back when i was 6 years old it did). i still use dos when the shet hits the fan. i've got 6.22 on 3 floppys, and a floppy drive and cable. there isnt a computer on earth that i cant recover or format using that lot.

since win95 dos has been reduced to command prompt. before that you had to run windows from dos. how the tables have turned. poor dos.

Are you actually mourning the loss of an operating system?

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Are you actually mourning the loss of an operating system?

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sorry i got carried away. i'm back to embracing the future now. the past is behind me.

jug said:

since the very start of operating systems there has always been strong resistance to new releases. not once in the past have people's concerns been well founded. when will people learn

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Windows ME was something of a nightmare, bug ridden, unstable and then rather promptly replaced with Windows 2000. From that O/S alone I think there is some foundation for people's concerns, much like it's best to NOT buy a newly released model of car. Best let someone else do the PDI and wait for the first round of revisions...

All software will initially have a bug(s) of some sort (this includes Apple O/S as well), and considering the amount of processes Vista is expected to carry out it is nigh on impossible to test for every eventuality. However, there will be updates as there has always been in the past, new bugs will surface, loopholes found and conflicts encountered. Vista second edition will almost certainly be better than the first release.

Windows 95 was ok (had plenty of bugs though), but I've heard that Windows 98 second edition is widely loved and missed. 98SE was supposedly very stable and water tight, and the first edition was also good as I was using that right up until last summer!

Now I'm on 2000 Professional, which seems to work fine. I'd like XP but my PC is too slow to cope with it, and Vista would be out of the question with a PIII processor!

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Windows ME was something of a nightmare, bug ridden, unstable and then rather promptly replaced with Windows 2000. From that O/S alone I think there is some foundation for people's concerns, !

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fair point, i forgot about that hiccup.

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Windows 98 second edition is widely loved and missed. 98SE was supposedly very stable and water tight,

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thats true. i've said it myself more than once. its the most stable post3.11 windows platform yet.

1986Uno45S said:

my PC is too slow to cope with it, and Vista would be out of the question with a PIII processor

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are you been serious? you really have a P3? check adtrader for cheap PCs, just dont ask where they come from

A P3? I've thrown out computers faster than that.. and I'm a bit of a hoarder when it comes to PCs

Jug, I am not kidding! My previous PC was a Pentium II running at 233mhz and with 64mb of ram. That was finally retired last October when I got back to the UK Such is the joy of being a full time student again with sod all money, and whatever money I had prior to that was spent on trotting round the world.

I was given a Packard Bell machine last year with a 600mhz Celeron processor and 64mb of ram running Windows 98. I've now updated that by fitting a 700mhz Pentium III processor (bough off Ebay for £1.20 - the postage cost more and so did the heatsink paste!), installed the maximum amount of memory (512mb) and also installed Windows 2000 Professional. I might fit a better sound card as I do a lot of music editing, and if I can find a bigger hard disk then I will also upgrade that. Should be able to do that fairly cheaply.

Sure it's not that fast, but for essay writing and basic editing stuff it's not too bad at all. So far it's cost all of about £25!

However, now that I've started my University course I will shortly be getting my bursary. I'm going to clear some debts and put some aside, then in about 6 months I should be able to afford another PC. I've already seen how the duo core machines are knocking the prices of the P4 models, so maybe I'll be able to afford a 3 Ghz machine come the summer

Bit of a bummer at the moment as I love games and emulators, but my PC is too slow to run most of the recent releases Still, I should be writing anatomical biology essays rather than killing things in 3D

Oh, and if anyone is throwing out a faster and more powerful machine than what I currently have then throw it in my direction please!

Sorry got to admit i agree with Jug about Dos there a techs main set of tools,

As for Vista ive got Ultimate installed at the moment with 2 gig of ram in one computer, Im going to have to upgrade my ram in there to at lest 4 gig, Its using 600 of it just on starting up, Its ram heavey, Ive had at lest 4 crashes in last couple of days because it wants to install its own audio drivers which dont work and i want to install the ones that do. But im sure as they solve some of the bugs it will live up to what its suppose to, Some very impressive **** in there thou, Loving the side bar lol.....

But think i will dual boot it with XP Home just till they get it all working. That way i can continue my movie work with out the **** of sorry this software is not supported in this version of windows which im finding with 60% of software i use including anti virus and firewall software, Not even running in XP mode works, As for games lot of my older ones work but hardly any of the new ones lol figures thou,

Only thing that bugs me is its too over protective pop up every min even when your telling it to open it in the first place.

Check this out 25 shortcomings of Vista, things to watch out for with the new OS..

1. SMB2
Vista introduces a new variant of the SMB protocol called SMB2, which may pose problems for those connecting to non-Microsoft networks, such as Samba on Linux.

2. Hardware
For Vista to perform adequately, PCs may need significant hardware upgrades.

3. Antivirus
Vista does not bundle an antivirus application, and most third party antivirus applications are not yet compatible with Vista.

4. Driver Support
Vista includes thousands of drivers, but most have been created directly by Microsoft. Many hardware manufacturers do not yet have drivers available for Vista.

5. Compatibility
Vista does a good job of running most common applications, but many third-party applications are not yet fully supported.

6. Memory
Vista loves RAM, but more is better. Plan on 2 Gbytes to meet real-world needs.

7. Five Versions
The array of Vista editions could prove to be three too many, and upgrades between versions remain an unknown.

8. Activation
The need to activate the product via the Web could prove to be a time-waster during mass deployments.

9. Storage Space
With Vista taking as much as 10 Gbytes of hard drive space, big and fast hard drives will be a must.

10. Backup
See No. 9. Backing up desktops will take a great deal of space.

11. Urgency
Unlike Windows XP and Windows 95, there seems to be no must-have reasons behind Vista.

12. Learning Curve
Vista is just different enough from XP that technicians and users will need training.

13. Cost
Moving to Vista can prove to be expensive when one considers the price of the OS, the cost of hardware upgrades and the cost of migration

14. Hardware Vendor Support
Tier-one and tier-two hardware vendors seem to be taking a slow approach to offering "Windows Vista Capable" systems.
15. Windows Backup
Vista's backup application is even more limited than XP's, forcing users to select third-party backup applications.

16. Windows Meeting Space
Lacks so many features that it's all but useless. No VoIP capabilities or shared whiteboard.

17. User Access Control Center
Lacks intelligence and forces users to approve the use of many native applications, such as a task scheduler or disk defragmenter.

18. Buried Controls
Many options and controls are further buried, requiring a half-dozen mouse clicks or more to get to. Network settings and display settings are offenders here.

19. Installation
Can take hours on some systems. Upgrades are even slower.

20. HHD
Hybrid Hard Drives. These are potentially a huge performance booster, but there's little information and support is available (even though should be available).

21. 50 Million Lines Of Code
Even with the five years of development and long beta test period that went into Vista, undiscovered bugs are sure to turn up.

22. Volume Activation 2.0 (VA2)
New volume-licensing technology limits installations or requires dedicated key-management servers to keep systems activated.

23. Missing Features
When first envisioned, Vista promised a new file system (WinFS), virtual folders and many other features that have just plain disappeared.

24. Some Protocols Eliminated
Vista does not include support for IPX, Gopher, WebDAV, NetDDE and AppleTalk.

25. WordPad
Ability to open .doc files has been removed.

I am running Vista Ultimate on my work system.

Was dead easy to install though getting my network profile took a little bit of tweaking (not by me I might add).

Seems to run just as fast as XP did. Right now my system has loads of programmes open (Outlook, Word, Visio, Firefox, Explorer and Media Player) each with multiple instances and is utilising 555 Mb of memory which is no worse than XP used to.

I can't get the aero effects which is a bit pants. The onboard SiS graphics aren't man enough for the task (fair enough) but after sticking in a 64Mb MX440 it still won't handle aero. I didn't have any other low profile AGP cards knocking about so gave up at that point. Not impressed as Windowblinds will provide aero effects on much less than that.

I should also add that I can't get my Dell Axim to Sync properly either. Not sure why yet but I've not been bothered to try the Axim firmware update that might solve this.

Generally impressed the tarted up interface is good and it seems pretty good for managing application crashes. The menu structure takes a little getting used to.

I should add that it takes up masses of disk space.

My work system is a P4 2.8 with 1Gb of RAM.

To whomever mentioned it a P3 with a decent chunk of RAM (ie more than 256) will run XP fine. In fact it's performance will be no worse than w2k (give or take).