Technical Red/Blue/Black keys

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Cinquecentos first:

L and M reg - These cars do not have the built in keycode immobilisers and use black keys.

M to S reg - These cars DO have the immobiliser built in, and should come with a full compliment of ONE red and TWO blue keys. The red key is the master which is needed for Fiat to make new blues up, or for certain work involving the ecu and immobiliser. This key shouldn't be used as your day to day key, but should be kept in a safe place. Blues can be 'cloned' though - i.e some places can make a new blue key by copying an existing blue one - search the internet for 'Transponder keys' for more info. If buying a car without the red key, haggle the price down accordingly as if the worst did happen, you could end up needing a new ecu,code box and a full set of locks(or ignition if your happy using different keys to lock/start). That can be big bucks, even if using parts from a breakers.
however nowadays new keys can be 'cloned' from the blue key at places like timpsons.

if you have a CODE 2 set up then its a dealer only job to get keys im afraid.at time of writing this is around £140 for 1 key supplied and coded.so haggle if you only get one key on a car!

A rough guide on how to tell if your cinq should have the red/blue keys - Phase one cars have a crease across the boot lid at about the level of the top of the rear lights. If yours has the crease, chances are it's not got the immobiliser built in and will have the black keys.

Seicentos:

1998 to 2000 approx :

Red/Blue key setup as above.

approx. 2000 on:

Different type of immobiliser keys. No separate red Master key supplied, just 2 ignition keys with built in chip. Much less hassle!
for the picture below:
The left key is a Code 1 Red/Brown
The middle key is an old style code 2 key
The right is a new style code 2 key

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in this picture you can see the small transponder in the key casing

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If the key has a transponder sign on it (Triangle with 2 little rings around the top) then it needs a master key. If it has a 2 on it, its a 2nd generation one and doesnt. If it has nothing then it dont need one either, according to Peter, chairman of FMCGB!

Thanks to thanks to pete(fixitagaintommorow),Centoevo and Alfanige for the Sei info and POWL for the picture
 
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If the key has a transponder sign on it (Triangle with 2 little rings around the top) then it needs a master key. If it has a 2 on it, its a 2nd generation one and doesnt.
Sorry, I am somewhat confused. If a key has both (triangle with rings as well as a 2) is it a 2nd generation? So both blue keys in the picture above, (both have the number 2) are 2nd generation (=CODE 2)?

Am asking because I have 2 blue keys exactly like the middle one above. With both signs on them. Got the car second hand (Seicento Sporting Abarth '99 SPI) and never got a red key. Should I have gotten one, or are they 2nd generation because they have the "2" also, and I don't need a red key?

Thanks

Edit: To my confusion add the facts that the car is a '99 and also that the owner's manual does indeed mention the red key.
 
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...I have 2 blue keys exactly like the middle one above. With both signs on them. Got the car second hand (Seicento Sporting Abarth '99 SPI) and never got a red key. Should I have gotten one, or are they 2nd generation because they have the "2" also, and I don't need a red key?
If they have a "2" on them, they are Code2.
So yes, yours are Code2 keys.
 
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Makes sense surely to carefully cut out the transponder and tape it near the ign barrel where it will identify any fitting key? - esp. as I don't have the code card or a red key, just one blue and one black - and I'm not good with keys :eek:
 
Makes sense surely to carefully cut out the transponder and tape it near the ign barrel where it will identify any fitting key? - esp. as I don't have the code card or a red key, just one blue and one black - and I'm not good with keys :eek:
A 2002 Seicento won't have a red Master Key:
Seicentos:

1998 to 2000 approx :

Red/Blue key setup as above.

approx. 2000 on:

Different type of immobiliser keys. No separate red Master key supplied, just 2 ignition keys with built in chip.
 
So that's why I haven't got one :) - does same apply to code card then..?
UK Dealers didn't supply the code card.
So you had to pay for it when you needed it.

With only one transponder (blue key) it still makes sense to take the chip out and fit nr ignition barrel surely..?
Or you could get a 2nd chipped key made up.
 
Who in their right mind would want to steal a Seicento..? :D ...then again I usually only pay a tenner to swap insurance over between classic Pandas - this year they wanted 70 odd quid (and that only runs till October...) - this is more likely down to age difference though..? Panda's being 26 yrs old - to an '02 - maybe they think I'd actually want to have it repaired if damaged... :rolleyes:
 
I'll put one on mi'chrimbo list lol - meanwhile works fine taped to the underside of the receiver unit - it's not going anywhere :slayer:
If it moves away from the receiver, even a small amount - car won't start anyway - it has to be right way round and just in the right place - pretty clever stuff really innit, though I'll need to check the tape from time to time of course. A piece of plasic shrink tube would be better - though just tight enough without applying any heat...
 
Galvanised or gold plated..? Well, as I was at Tesco anyway... the Timpson guy fair jumped to attention and quoted from £50 to £150 (+ a further contribution to the upkeep of our great nation...) for a key depending on the type of transponder... or £7 for just a plain old cut key... hmmm, decisions decisions... :rolleyes: - even he agreed it made more sense to tape the transponder to the receiver on a 14 yr old car...
Better to spend the money on service items surely? - should it ever be stolen the thief would then at least have a smoother more secure getaway ;)
 
Hi,

My car is a 2001 seicento.

This is the key I have. I lost my other blue key of the same type / design, so I want a spare made. Can a standard locksmith make me a replacement key, or do i need to go to a specialist who can make another key with a transponder. If i need one with a transponder where can I go to get that?

Thanks for your forum.
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Cinquecentos first:

L and M reg - These cars do not have the built in keycode immobilisers and use black keys.

M to S reg - These cars DO have the immobiliser built in, and should come with a full compliment of ONE red and TWO blue keys. The red key is the master which is needed for Fiat to make new blues up, or for certain work involving the ecu and immobiliser. This key shouldn't be used as your day to day key, but should be kept in a safe place. Blues can be 'cloned' though - i.e some places can make a new blue key by copying an existing blue one - search the internet for 'Transponder keys' for more info. If buying a car without the red key, haggle the price down accordingly as if the worst did happen, you could end up needing a new ecu,code box and a full set of locks(or ignition if your happy using different keys to lock/start). That can be big bucks, even if using parts from a breakers.
however nowadays new keys can be 'cloned' from the blue key at places like timpsons.

if you have a CODE 2 set up then its a dealer only job to get keys im afraid.at time of writing this is around £140 for 1 key supplied and coded.so haggle if you only get one key on a car!

A rough guide on how to tell if your cinq should have the red/blue keys - Phase one cars have a crease across the boot lid at about the level of the top of the rear lights. If yours has the crease, chances are it's not got the immobiliser built in and will have the black keys.

Seicentos:

1998 to 2000 approx :

Red/Blue key setup as above.

approx. 2000 on:

Different type of immobiliser keys. No separate red Master key supplied, just 2 ignition keys with built in chip. Much less hassle!
for the picture below:
The left key is a Code 1 Red/Brown
The middle key is an old style code 2 key
The right is a new style code 2 key

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in this picture you can see the small transponder in the key casing

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If the key has a transponder sign on it (Triangle with 2 little rings around the top) then it needs a master key. If it has a 2 on it, its a 2nd generation one and doesnt. If it has nothing then it dont need one either, according to Peter, chairman of FMCGB!

Thanks to thanks to pete(fixitagaintommorow),Centoevo and Alfanige for the Sei info and POWL for the picture
 
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