Hey Chaps

Until reading the fuel implant technology manual for the DET 3 found here:

http://www.ecumaster.com/download/DET3/SAfuelImplant_english.pdf

I had no idea it was capable as acting as a stand alone fuel system while retaining the original ECU. It is seemingly is quite cable of converting an SPI Cento into an MPI with little more than the addition of a MPI manifold/TB/injectors/pump.

This would be great for me as it would mean I wouldn't have to run my currently planned SPI/MPI set-up, meaning less complication, weight and all at a very reasonable price. My TF10 is adequate but way off technically compared to the DET 3 which seems to be almost a stand alone without the price tag.

However I'm wondering if anyone here can actually fill in a few more details. I know Woj mentioned they were popular in Poland (it is a Polish ECU after all) but are any of the Polish chaps here able to share some more details pros/cons and maybe point us in the direction of Polish Cento install.

Cheers

Ben

However, there is an issue with lining up the MPI manifold with the SPI head.

Not sure why you wany MPI anyway.......................

I have a SPI/SPI Cinq turbo to which I'm fitting a Punto 75 MPI engine (including head). I was going to use the MPI for additional fueling on boost using my TF10, and SPI off boost with the original ECU. However it seems the DET 3 will enable me to ditch the SPI system altogether and still run the factory ECU.

Also It would mean the ability to fit a MPI engine straight into a SPI Cento with little modification. However the setup looks a little daunting at this stage.

Gotcha. But why run the factory ECU anyway? For a few extra squid you could run megasquirt (or microsquirt).

Even better hint for you, the folks that make DET3 have a seriously looking SA on the edge of being released for sale. End of March I was told. The price will be as I was told in the 500 Euro range (2000 PLN) fully equiped if I understand right

Price would put it somewhere between built Microsquirt and Canems. Sounds interesting!

fingers99 said:

Gotcha. But why run the factory ECU anyway? For a few extra squid you could run megasquirt (or microsquirt).

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It's half the price of the Mega/Micro squirt which is why I'd like to know the pros and cons. It's also very compact (as is the micro) and would allow use of the factory imobiliser at a guess. I'm not sure if the standard imobiliser just cuts fueling or is more advanced.

My TF10 has been excellent but if I use this for MPI I will have to use the original SPI as it can't do standalone fueling. From what I can gather using an SPI setup on the 75 manifold is messy due to the dry manifold design.

Woj I'm sure the standalone will be great but that's over 3 times the price... Can you point me towards a DET 3 Polish install thread so I can Mrs. Honeymonster to translate it?

The reason I'm interested is the DET 3 doesn't seem to lack any of the essential features of a SA anyway. I have a friend that does DTA but I'm reluctant to spend this kind of money on a Cinq if the DET 3 unit is up to the job.

Cheers

Can't see any of the DET 3 on sale at the mo so can't compare prices. But why worry about the factory immob when you can buy a remote alarm/imob for about £25?

Aren't manuals from their website:

http://www.ecumaster.com/pliki.html

enough? I am not sure I know of any thread that covers installation, without serious googling that is.

woj said:

Aren't manuals from their website:

http://www.ecumaster.com/pliki.html

enough? I am not sure I know of any thread that covers installation, without serious googling that is.

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Ok Woj thanks for looking, I have the install manuals in English here:

http://www.ecumaster.com/download/DET3/

I was more looking for a build thread, I have no issues with wiring it up they even have a Cento installation diagram. I was more interested in the actual tuning process.

They are £147 delivered minus the map sensor (which I already have) Mr. Fingers.

I would be a bit sceptic about the diagrams they provide, I know people complained.

Tell you what, I will ask a guy that I know well that runs DET2 what installation materials he used, if any and if he did it himself.

Thanks Woj, much appreciated.

OK, short and sweet, in this gallery:

http://picasaweb.google.com/116339863369631443975/Turbo

towards the end there is a modified schematics of what was used to hook up DET 3 to IAW 18F in a t-jet project. The person I asked used this schematics and his car runs OK too (1.2 16vT).

For tuning, I guess you will have to figure it out yourself

Thanks Woj.

What I don't understand -- because the DET 3 is so competent -- is what it actually needs a base ECU for? The drivers?

Funnily enough that's exactly what I was thinking when I started reading about it, everything seems to be there from a tuning point of view.

Their features manual states:


Fuel Implant

Sequential is pretty much just to do with emmissions, anyway.

Personally, I don't like the idea of piggy back, but this seems the best one out there. I just bought a Canems, but next time may do one of the Squirts (or the stand alone version of the ECU Master).

Sequential is pretty much just to do with emmissions, anyway.

Personally, I don't like the idea of piggy back, but this seems the best one out there. I just bought a Canems, but next time may do one of the Squirts (or the stand alone version of the ECU Master).

Mmm, interesting. Keep us posted fella, i'm doing similar to my spi seicento turbo atm.. As in i have P75 head, inlet etc to fit. Although i will be crudely controlling it with bits i already have in the first instance (basically exactly how it now, with spi tricker tb and original ecu but with my mf2 on the mpi instead of a 2nd injector on plenum). With the intention of going full aftermarket ecu down the line - after i have run it around for summer I am a little worried about running the tricker TB on top of the P75 inlet but we'll see how it manages - i only cover a few hundred miles each summer generally.