right then ive come to the conclusion that i need another cinq

the amount of body work i had to do to get my beloved through this years MOT amounted to 4 days work (50hrs) i dont think she'll pass next years so heres the plan. 3S the old one (SORN, Strip and Scrap) do copious amounts of overtime to get the money together to buy a decent example (aiming for about a grand) and build it as close to this thread as possible

THIS is my PERFECT Cinq!!!

this one will be stripped for all of its useful bits, engine, box, dash, windows, wheels, rear arms etc etc. im gonna look for a good example of another black one or an imola blue.

I'll be rebuilding the 1108 motor because its a 'free' short block (it'll be pretty much up for HG neways) ill be "reconning" the head and theres 90% chance of a port match for inlet and exhaust. aiming to run larger TB and maybe an Uno 45 mani. i dont know if it might be worth converting to MPI (im not familar with the amount of work involved with ECUs and wiring etc). im looking at 866 or possibly a quite aggressive C&B (undecided). ill get it McCritch-ed and finally a 4-2-1 SS exh mani, sports cat and full SS twin exit system.

whilst the dash is in pieces ill figure out a better way of getting the LED's to run right and give better light distribution.

Windows... Tinted

Wheels... i'd LOVE and REALLY want a set of 5 spoke 14" Speedlines (rocking horse droppings i know) will get them re-done, the bodyshop we use at work does some AWESOME refurb work for £30 a corner

Suspension setup i want to get a 2nd ARB for the rear, fully polybushed, dropped 40/60mm. front upper strut brace (maybe a lower, drop permitting)

Brakes... GT conversion front and rears (or something similar)

bodywork wise i'm keeping my eye out for any abarth kit that turns up... i think thats it

Discuss!

my first fiat was like that but an utter shed

there was some speedlines on ebay not so long ago went cheaply aswell

for the mpi all you have to do is splice the injectot wires together

also PM sent about a spoiler

Ash

the problem with speedlines is having the money when they turn up... something im not very good at!

sounds like you've got your self a descent project i hope it all goes to plan

that coupled with the LED light conversion:devil: should be a nice little motor

richydraper said:

im looking at 866 or possibly a quite aggressive C&B (undecided). ill get it McCritch-ed

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Id say get a better chip than the mccritch or get it remapped properly with an aggressive C&B, how aggressive are you thinking?

+1 for an Imola

£590 though I suspect they left ,000 off the end of the mileage

@Brooky:- what chip would you recommend? I wanted the 300 duration but figured even tho it would go postal on lift, the whole traffic thing would be a nightmare and since it will still be my work hack 300 would be a silly choice i think their 'next one down' is 289?

@bluedan:- i think there should be ,000 in the milage and im £590 short at the minute but it 'looks' a good motor!

I wouldn't recomend any chip for a 300, I'd say a new ecu. I wouldn't bother with the he race series cams unless your willing to spend lots on ecu, head work, inlet manifold ect

thatll be that then fast road it is 280*... altho im REALLY not convinced with the price.
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maybe i should go for an 866 after all!

im not after MASSIVE power from NA because i know it costs too much versus FI and im not going FI at the minute because i need the reliability!

I did flirt with the idea of a low boost setup but it still involves extra injectors, bigger pumps, better ECUs etc etc.

if i pushed 80bhp-ish i'd be happy at the minute. i figured the above engine setup would give me close to that in real life rather than a (gu)estimate of 'yeah it SHOULD'

one day i'll dream to run a high boost or possibly even a twin turbo or supercharged motor but those days are a long way off.

talking of tweaking NA... would it be feasible (both moneywise and logistically) to run a plenum chamber (sometimes called a 'power deck')? this could be just an idea ive got from Toyota since ive got a Gen.6 Celica but i know it gives them a huge kick up the arse power-wise at 5200RPM.

for those of you who dont know plenum chambers effectively lengthen the inlet headers at a given RPM to allow the production of more horsepower (short headers= good torque, long headers= good HP) on the Toyotas this is done when a certain vacuum level is reached in the inlet manifold. this activates butterflies in the inlet which literally open up a chamber on the top of the headers. It activates as the power curve naturally drops off (around 5000RPM), allowing very usable power production right upto 7000RPM, its effect is most noticable when cold and it feels like a mini turbo hitting boost. Toyota did plenum chambers and Honda did VTEC (a much more complicated system utilising oil pressure and high lift cam lobes, i could go into it but cant be fcuked)

Drop these a mail, I asked them about 16v cams a while back and the full race cam was only going to cost me £340 delivered to the UK.

http://www.swiatek.com.pl/go.live.php

There are manufactured from scratch, not remanufactured from donor cams.

Thanks

thanks todge!

will drop them an email with the C&B specs and see what they come back with.

im always on the lookout for any little gems like this even if they dont lead anywhere... im a right tight bar steward cos i have a kid and a wife so even if i save a fiver from doing 2 hrs leg work im a happy man!

anyone else got any 2p's?

richydraper said:

thanks todge!

will drop them an email with the C&B specs and see what they come back with.

im always on the lookout for any little gems like this even if they dont lead anywhere... im a right tight bar steward cos i have a kid and a wife so even if i save a fiver from doing 2 hrs leg work im a happy man!

anyone else got any 2p's?

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might aswell go the extra for a 75 engine as it will cost you less in the long run for hitting your 80hp wanted or you would be happier with, rather then starting from 55hp you start from 75 but of course the engine would of lost some of that power

Ash

I thought it was long runners, more torque, short runners for hp, hence why lots of throttle body setups have very short inlet manifolds or bolt directly to the head.
Either way, if you can, make a plenum and stick a biggish tb on the end.

@Whitz:- 1108 motor because its a 'free' short block... i dont have to spend £300 on engine then do all the work i've mentioned. id be happy with 80 out of the 1108 but if i had a 1242 id be gunning for 100 but i know what your saying

@Brooky:- i thought as i was writing it i might have got it the wrong way round ho hum just googled and found Narrow/Long= more torque, Wide/Short= more HP so yes brooky :worship: ur right

good luck with the project. ive pretty much got all th emods listed but running on a 1242 rr said 86bhp. so id be expecting 70-75 from a 1.1

think ycmings 1.1 yellow cinq ran a similar set up but with a 268 cam and it got 77bhp. (alanhelens old car)

77 is damn respectable from an NA 1108! mind you, 86 aint bad from the 8v 1242 either, doesnt the 16v 1242 put out 80 as standard?

hehe ur in Carlisle wave to the Stobart boys for me!

richydraper said:

77 is damn respectable from an NA 1108! mind you, 86 aint bad from the 8v 1242 either, doesnt the 16v 1242 put out 80 as standard?

hehe ur in Carlisle wave to the Stobart boys for me!

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77 is ok I suppose. Some of us run 85-90bhp from a 1108

(us is in reference to myself and fellow formula 750 people)

well it was a standard 1.1 with a 268 cam and a induction kit. 4-2-1 mani.

and 16v runs 85bhp at the engine. mine was 85.6 at the wheels. although on motroways 60mph acceleration the 16v are easily quicker.....

im going to be swapping to a 16v soon i think.

clock34 said:

well it was a standard 1.1 with a 268 cam and a induction kit. 4-2-1 mani.

and 16v runs 85bhp at the engine. mine was 85.6 at the wheels. although on motroways 60mph acceleration the 16v are easily quicker.....

im going to be swapping to a 16v soon i think.

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16v will always be quicker in the end and less mods to go more power

FYI the 85-90bhp 1108 are completely std internals and a cam not far from the 866 with a single inlet (45mm) and length tuned exhaust. You could easily get 110-120 bhp (N/a) from a 1108 but it would not be driveable on the street.