Hey Guys I'm wondering how much hp i could expect from these mods? I dont expect too much i'm thinking about 80 hp, how about you? (Engine swap in a cinquecento sporting)

• Overhauled Punto 60 engine with new gaskets and seals.
• New Waterpump, Cambelt.
• Punto 75 4-2-1 exhaust Manifold.
• 2 inch exhaust system no cat and performance muffler supersprint.
• Port & Polished Head.
• Punto 75 cam.
• 40 mm TB.
• Cold Air induction system.
• Msd Racing Coil.
• 8,5 mm Sparkplug wires.
• Racing Plugs.

How much hp without remap ECU -?
How much hp with remap ECU -?

Keeping in mind that these are mods that will help when going turbo. :devil:

All Feedback is welcome.

cant remap these ecu's. you can get a mckritch chip though for about £50.

and im running almost the exact settup, think your looking about 85ish.

ever thought of a 4-2-1 supersprints manifold. its better than the punto 75.

clock34 said:

cant remap these ecu's. you can get a mckritch chip though for about £50.

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Yes, you can. It means dismantling the ECU & burning new chip, but it is certainly a managable job, not as easy as plugging in a cable and a laptop though. Finding someone that will know how to do the actual remap and would have the necessary equipment (EPROM emulator etc.) is another question

im mistaken then lol. pretty sure it would be near impossible to get one of these remapped then lol.

clock34 said:

cant remap these ecu's. you can get a mckritch chip though for about £50.

and im running almost the exact settup, think your looking about 85ish.

ever thought of a 4-2-1 supersprints manifold. its better than the punto 75.

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The reason i wont buy supersprint manifold is that after a bit of fun with the engine and planning on going turbo after 6 months or so. And then i have a exhaust manifold laying around.

Heard people chop off a peace of the sporting 1.1 exhaust manifold and weld a flance for the turbo there.

How about a megasquirt stand alone

Heard a lighter flywheel will make idle run in winter a pain, not sure.. everybody says diff things.

Jajr2009 said:

Heard people chop off a peace of the sporting 1.1 exhaust manifold and weld a flance for the turbo there.

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Yes, they do, apparently a difficult and expensive (own experience) job though. because the manifold is iron cast -> requires proper equipment and skill.

How about a megasquirt stand alone

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I am pretty sure that there is somebody somewhere in NL that should be able to remap your stock ECU. I actually have a bit of knowhow and some equipment to do it (I do it for my own engine at the moment), but I wouldn't dare touching somebody else's engine.

BTW, I noticed there is so many of you Dutch (me only living in the country at the moment) guys around here, what about local Cento club(s) and knowledge base, are there any?

well my flywheel is 3.6kg instead of 6.something kg. and ive never had a noticable "rough idol" in any of the cold weather here in north cumbria. also no problems with hills aswell.

If you are planning on going turbo, why not scrap the stock ecu and go aftermarket
its the only real way of making the most from a setup.

bare in mind that a 2inch exhaust on a very small capacity engine is far from optimal (unless you make it a rev monster) but 2inch is perfect for the turbo

As a N/A even with a remap i wouldnt be expecting to see anything over 75hp

forget about
Msd Racing Coil.
8,5 mm Sparkplug wires.
Racing Plugs.

if all you are after is more power

craigb244 said:

As a N/A even with a remap i wouldnt be expecting to see anything over 75hp

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bad_boy_cinqs old blue cinq was running gsr,40mm tb, 866 cam, 4-2-1mani, janspeed full exhaust and a mckrich and it ran 86bhp and 92torrrrrqqs lol. so id be expecting the sameish area tbh

thats without the porting and flowing you speak off and was on the old punto block with smaller valves.

most dynos tell fibs(dont blame them... they are only making car owners feel better about the mods they have spent LOADS on)... seems very very excessive when my mates cinquecento trofeo dont make much more and HELL of a lot more work done to it.

the trofeo will be a 1.1 thogh? bet it makes 95+?

im not saying its set in stone and it might be lower lol.

quite right but there is so much done to it.

i doubt the ecu (maybe even the injector)with just a chip could supply the fuel to make nearly 90hp

just seems VERY excessive to me... even more so when like you said its not even ported.
its not even the higher compression/better flowing p75 engine.(which only makes 75hp with the help of mpi)

craigb244 said:

bare in mind that a 2inch exhaust on a very small capacity engine is far from optimal (unless you make it a rev monster)

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Craig mate can you explain this for me, Im trying to understand what you mean.


thanks

darren

darrenforward said:

Craig mate can you explain this for me, Im trying to understand what you mean.


thanks

darren

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do some googleing
2inch bore is massive! its what i run on my turbo. which needs minimal back pressure. (engine gets its back pressure from the turbo)

without back pressure with a N/A engine you will loose power at the bottom end.but gain up top but only if you make a lot of modifications to the intake. but imho its not something you need.

So if i want it at bottom end then a smaller diameter is better.

thanks

within reason... lot to it.

just imho 2inch is to big for a 1liter non turbo charged car used on the road

well mine has been rr'd at 83bhp without the chip and apart from the ss mani a standard exhaust.

my fpr is running at about half if i turn it up full it chokes the engine with fuel so its definatly possible. it doesnt mix well though the fuel.

like i said though im not saying its set in stone and mine does have larger valves and a ported and flowed head. but the fueling isnt the restriction.

oops double post. tbh bhp is pub talk anyways lol

woj said:

BTW, I noticed there is so many of you Dutch (me only living in the country at the moment) guys around here, what about local Cento club(s) and knowledge base, are there any?

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I'm not dutch, but i live in holland .. but yea they have a forum for holland cinquecento owners, but the problem is that they are not that active on their forums then this site. More members means more experience to share with other members, if u get what i'm saying .

Curently i have the 1.1 sporting engine and im getting the feeling that the engine isnt far from her death. Instead of taking it out and overhauling the 1.1 i prefer buying a punto 60 engine overhaul it port & polish the engine insert the cam, in other words making it ready for when its done its just get old engine out get new punto 60 in.

That way the car wont be standing still and i can stil get to work.

Turbo is where i want to go in time, for now just want some easy and cheap upgrades. Scrap yard here will get me the punto 75 cam and exhaust manifold. And some work i can get the cold air intake, TB and the exhaust. Trying to get some more power then a stock 60, if i reach 70 im happy


-Does the punto 75 cam just fit in? how about other timing? do i use the sporting 1.1 cam gear or the punto 75 cam gear?
-Does the 75 punto exhaust manifold need to be extended a few inches too, or does it fit without modification?
-Where can i get 40 mm TB?
-Does porting give really that much hp on a 1.2 engine?

Some questions im asking myself before even buying the punto 60 engine