(G) My Turbo Cinq Story

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Puzzled by this. I remember 18 months or so ago me and Aaron were talking about the differences in braking between the two EVO cinqs. The only thing they didn't have in common was the calipers and tyres.

Since then, I've driven two other cars with the later calipers and different pads and disks. Unless you drove them back to back, you'd be very hard pressed to tell the difference.

If anything, the stock Alfa disks and pads have more feel at low speeds. Jamie's Tarox 20 groove disks and fast road pads put your eyeballs on the front screen more easily than the others, especially with ultra grippy and stiff sidewall Falkens, even with a shot master cylinder. The MaxTorqs are probably the best all rounders.

Not a great deal in it, but the woodeness seems to be all down to the calipers.

I'd buy them myself, but I've got some brand new 155 ones in the spares cabinet...............

Too late the Sei has been waiting for proper brakes to accompany the ABS

The best ones I ever had were actually on my (then Mase's) Red Abarth that also had the later spec ones but cam with some tarrox Sport japans and matched pads.. it seemed to pretty much outbrake anything and consistantly do so on the local race track

Anyway Martin just realised never said car's looking as great as ever good to see someone willing to keep it so and even make it better has it

This was my whole problem i had really as my NA cinq actually did stop quicker with the same GT setup as i now have up front but with rear drums

How much of that was the disc's, the calipers or pads i don't know but this setup really works for me and for road use i would highly recomend it

I did find the setup somewhat lacking for use on the track though, after around 3 laps they were totally shot and approaching Tower corner at combe doing speeds you really don't want to be doing isn't fun Me and AAron thought wise to return to the pits with my tail behind my legs after getting done over by a 4door R5

Although I think the main part of that was overheating the brake fluid somewhat

You talking about R### AUA? I have that now and I was rather less than impressed with the brakes on it, though they were powerful the peddle travel was long and not very progressive with the power coming in all at once. This meant while they may have been capable of stopping the car quickly doing so was rather hit and miss. Though both the pads and discs were near the end of their lives.

Strange, isn't it? Here we are using brakes well capable of stopping a car weighing 1/2 ton more from 140 or so, in our little cars which probably max out at 130 and we're complaining!

Wonder what the next upgrade is? Does the Q4 use the same front hub as the 155? Are they the same as the Integrale? What are the 155 racers using?

Apropos the bumper mounts, Martin, lots and lots of plus gas inside the box section. We pulled some good ones off a scrapper, used WD40, and the bolts still came out hot enough to burn your hand!

OK Pics as promised

The new boost pipe and Bailey Dump Valve


New front Brakes


New Rear discs

Boost pipe looks great. I agree the later callipers give better feel and are more progressive in there application. Though for pads Mintex M1144 are unbeatable, though you pay for there performance.

Most of the bigger cars move to AP or Porsche set up's dependent on budget, this leaves lots of Brembo's from integrale's, Mitsi EVo's etc 2nh hand. I'm going Porsche monoblock Brembo's with Brembo Sport disc which like Porsche are not grooved, but drilled only on my integrale. Though many have had good results using www.compbrake.co.uk amongst others.

That's the one.. When I had it they were awesome easily the best of the 3 i've had (or is it 4 lol)

I recon it's down to knackered discs and pads as they weren't new when I had them so talking an easy 30k by now at my guess

Depends what you're complaining about, the lack of feel or progression with these brakes is more of a problem on a lighter car than on a heavier one. The shear mass of a heavier car will help smooth out a non-progressive peddle relationship and make feel less important.

jamie, so who is responsible for the small steering wheel and introducing its 'safety feature' (heavy braking = horn going off )

Err not me had a nice abarth one leather one with the red bit on it when I sold it it

Nice to hear my dodgy 1242's conversions are still going strong lol

Anyway sorry for stealing thread Martin

Certainly with the later calipers, lack of feel isn't anything I find a problem. Indeed, the ease with which you can hold the car on the very edge of lock up is astonishing.

When I've put a tricker, a better inlet manifold and a ported head on it it should go even stronger. Oh, and add the welding, the replacement of every bush in the suspension, the new clutch.................

What are threads for, anyway?

AUA might be alive but your 1242cc 8v conversion is now defunct... there is a now 3 more injectors, 8 more valves & a fogger in the cinq's engine bay