General Double Clutching and the cinq clutch cable

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General Double Clutching and the cinq clutch cable

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This technique sounds interesting, and a good thing to do, but I have a few worries/ concerns...

When shifting from 2nd to 1st to come to a stop or rolling stop, its not too keen to do it, unless I double clutch it, which is fair enough, but with the cinquecentos brilliant clutch cable, double clutching surely puts more wear on this part?

i guess what im trying to ask would be, if the benifits of double clutching are saving the syncromesh and clutch from more wear and tear, is the fact that the clutch cable might be more likely snap worth it?
 
I have tried double declutcing on several occasions but found it awkward....also tried left foot breaking but forgot once and thought foot was over the clutch when it was over the break, going for a quick change :eek: Gave me a shock thats for sure.

Whats the proper technique, as it honestly seems like more hassle than its worth tbh.

Kristian
 
Clutch down take car out of gear. Release clutch. Clutch down again, select next gear, release clutch.

With practice it can be done very smoothly, but on a Cento is only needed for second to first selection, unless the syncos are worn on other gears.

Left foot braking is useless in a standard cento as the brakes are split diagonally.

Cheers

D
 
I've yet to find a Cinq or Sei where double de-clutching was necessary: in fact, I don't think I've done it regularly since I got rid of the mini and the fulvia many many years ago (I am very old ;) ).

But I heel and toe a fair bit, and since chances are you'll be on the brakes when/if you need to double de-clutch, I'd suggest that getting heel and toe right is the place to start.

It works like this. You're on the brakes in third. Kick out the clutch, blip the throttle with the outside of your foot, snap it into second, up with the clutch. Get that smooth and you can start introducing a second blip as the lever goes through neutral. Hell and toe meets double de-clutch. :yum:

While the brakes are diagonally split, IIRC, it's weight transfer that makes left foot braking effective. But I don't like it, not brave enough and the old biker sensibilities suggest it's plain wrong! ;)
 
I've yet to find a Cinq or Sei where double de-clutching was necessary: in fact, I don't think I've done it regularly since I got rid of the mini and the fulvia many many years ago (I am very old ;) ).

But I heel and toe a fair bit, and since chances are you'll be on the brakes when/if you need to double de-clutch, I'd suggest that getting heel and toe right is the place to start.

It works like this. You're on the brakes in third. Kick out the clutch, blip the throttle with the outside of your foot, snap it into second, up with the clutch. Get that smooth and you can start introducing a second blip as the lever goes through neutral. Hell and toe meets double de-clutch. :yum:

While the brakes are diagonally split, IIRC, it's weight transfer that makes left foot braking effective. But I don't like it, not brave enough and the old biker sensibilities suggest it's plain wrong! ;)

i've been trying to learn the heel-toe downshift alately, but just find it awkward in the cinq.

Any tips ?
 
you need wide shoes :) lol
i usually find it easier to do it this way... by having my right foot over both the brake and accelerator and angling my foot to get the right revs and braking.

it doesn't work all that good when u need heavy breaking tho no ?

or am i doing it all wrong :D

I've done a few fluke heel-toe shifts, and they are really fun.. i wish i could do em all the time..
 
I've yet to find a Cinq or Sei where double de-clutching was necessary: in fact, I don't think I've done it regularly since I got rid of the mini and the fulvia many many years ago (I am very old ;) ).

The only time I've needed to double declutch to get things to work is when the clutch has been on the way out/mal-adjusted.

While the brakes are diagonally split, IIRC, it's weight transfer that makes left foot braking effective.
Given a reasonably spaced traffic stream, a clear slip road and visibility left foot braking is a useful skill: flick down to 3rd at about 60mph control use the brakes and engine to arrive at the roundabout at the right speed and time to slip in between two cars. Easy to say but you need very dextrous control of both the throttle and brakes to pull off.
 
Double declutching was only used in cars way before our time, and before a wonderous person developed the syncro-mesh, probably to stop women blowing up gearboxes. anyway wats all the fuss about it now, it only creates a slower gearchange, in a car with a syncro mesh there no need to double clutch at all

:/
 
While the brakes are diagonally split, IIRC, it's weight transfer that makes left foot braking effective. But I don't like it, not brave enough and the old biker sensibilities suggest it's plain wrong! ;)

The idea of left foot braking is to allow the right foot to be on the power and the left foot to adjust the attitude of the car in the corner.

If the brakes are going to work the front wheels, it won't work, the brakes will just bog the engine down.

Cheers

D
 
Double declutching was only used in cars way before our time, and before a wonderous person developed the syncro-mesh, probably to stop women blowing up gearboxes. anyway wats all the fuss about it now, it only creates a slower gearchange, in a car with a syncro mesh there no need to double clutch at all

:/

Providing the syncro is still intact. If the syncro hubs are worn, then double declutching will give the box a better chance of continued service until a replacement can be fitted.

Cheers

D
 
in a car with a syncro mesh there no need to double clutch at all

:/

While this is partly true, it doesn't hurt to double clutch - especially when working up the gears as it allows the engine (if you time it right) to slow the gears down a fraction and gear changes become very smooth instead of massively jerky....

Take a read of this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_declutch
 
it doesn't hurt to double clutch - especially when working up the gears as it allows the engine (if you time it right) to slow the gears down a fraction and gear changes become very smooth instead of massively jerky....

Take a read of this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_declutch

Strangely, the only case I've heard (literally) of this being done is in the film Bullit, where Mr McQueen sounds as though he's doing that in the mustang. Mind you, it also sounds as though he has a 12 speed gearbox (seems that the soundtrack was added later and was a GT 40).

On bikes, clutchless up changes are not too difficult, and there are several kits available which do little more than cut the ignition momentarily as the lever goes through......
 
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