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Unhappy Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

Hey all,
I own a 2009 Tjet with automatic transmission.

My climate control has two issues:

1. Selecting air flow from inside the car or outside does not work - air only comes from the outside.

2. Cold air is coming out only on the left side (driver side in my case).

Searching online + taking with some folks led me to believe the problem is that the motors that drive the actuators that move the flaps are broken and that it's a fairly common issue with Bravos. The quote I got for fixing this issue is about $650 + parts so this comes out at an amount I just can't spend on the car.

I'm fairly technical and have good hands but until now only did minimal work on the car (console replacement, some normal maintenance and such) however I'm interested to find out if it would make sense to try and fix this by myself.

The main thing I'm after is a procedure that will give me access to those motors without removing the dashboard which is something I'm not interested in doing and the very thing that makes this fix expensive to begin with.

Any help would be appreciated. I would gladly document my work to create a guide for future users
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

Hi Mr Slow, I've just had mine fixed by Small car services bases in Bishop Waltham. 150 all in. See my last post. Dean is on here as "burrowsdeano". Can't recommend him high enough
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

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Hi Mr Slow, I've just had mine fixed by Small car services bases in Bishop Waltham. 150 all in. See my last post. Dean is on here as "burrowsdeano". Can't recommend him high enough
Getting the car from Israel to Bishop Waltham and back would probably make it a bit more expensive than 150.
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Hahaha, you'd could have a nice holiday though
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

The recirculating motor /flapper connector cannot be replaced without removing the dash, all other CAN.
It is ok if it,s stuck to suck from outside, oxygenated air.

First thing is you will need one of these tools: https://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.ne...s/03044a-1.jpg
Not the bit, i am referring to the ratchet, don't remember if the screws are torx or regular hex; If it's hex, it is something small like 5.5-6mm, a ratcheting spanner will be best.

The main thing is.. it needs to be as short as possible.

The heat controller motor/connector is one of the easiest to replace(there is one on each side).


When I did it, I removed the center console, the radio, the glove box, the steering column.. etc.. all the panels that were relatively easy to remove, just to get a few more mm of space.
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

spanner size 10 and + attachment on pic above is even shorter
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

Thanks for info guys!

Yes shipping the car might stretch by budget a bit. I can probably live with replacing all the motors and other bits except the "air source" motor.

Removing the dash scares me and many garages over here are not interested in taking jobs like that so they will quote you very high in hopes you will go elsewhere.

Where can I find guides, pictures, drawings or anything like that so I'll know the procedures to remove everything and where to locate the parts that require replacement.

It would also be good to have a parts list with catalog numbers so I could order all the required bits before taking the car apart. I would like to have it done in a single weekend so I have about 2 days worth of work on the car. After that I need it to be put together so I can get to work.
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

Just replaced the 2 broken pieces awhile ago.
Quite a pain to do this job. Need patience especially the bottom actuator. 3 to 5 hr job.

Stuffs you be taking out in order to access it.
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Do see following on how to remove the panels.
Tool required. T25, T20, 5mm Allen key and this small 5.5mm wrench.
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Take out both left/right piece.
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Pull both left/right out
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Carefully push this outward. Can broke easily.
Glove box is out.

Push this in. So you won't break it when removing the panel.
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Remove this panel. T25 and 5 mm Allen key.

Pull this 2 out
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Remove gear knob cover
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Remove 5 T25 screws and the piece. And the visible screws under that area. Need not remove the screw on the right of charging port.


Remove this screw (T25) to remove cup holder
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Then remove armrest with these 2 screws
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Remove this panel and the 4 T25 screws.
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Remove this piece. Push gear knob front for a bit more space. You will also want to move your seats to remove it.
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Remove this front left foot panel.
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Then screws on the other left one. And remove it.
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Take out the glove box mounting.
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Take out just the t25 screw here.

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Done.

The top 2 actuator you easily remove with T25 but tricky for the one at the bottom.

Top 2
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Use 5.5 mm socket to remove top 2 screw.

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For the bottom actuator, turn on it engine to let it rotate. Off engine once it rotate somewhere in the middle position. Bottom flap on has a small room to rotate.

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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

Remember to unplug when removing glove box mount.
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

This was broken for most cases . Motors are working fine. Part number 46723463

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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

Thank you so much - this is well over what I had expected. You made the work 100 times easier!

BTW - the air source selector motor can not be accessed this way?
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

For that I'm not sure. Just figure out on how to remove along the way. That's my 2nd attempt just today. Replaced only the top actuator but didn't had the right tool to remove the bottom one for my first attempt. Saw your post so I document mine today.
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

After fixing up the actuators, do climate control reset before putting back the panels. Mine got error after putting back panels. Right side still blows a slightly warmer air. One of the motor could be faulty. Need to open up again...
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Re: Bravo climate control flap actuator motor replacement

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After fixing up the actuators, do climate control reset before putting back the panels. Mine got error after putting back panels. Right side still blows a slightly warmer air. One of the motor could be faulty. Need to open up again...

You need to take it out, then use a 9v battery to spin the motor around.
Best way is to use a multimeter and measure both of the potentiometer values.... to make sure you are in the middle of the potentiomer value with the motor back in place, installed on the flap.
The plastic connector can be installed at least in 2 positions ( 180 degrees out)
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