Tuning Common Rail Diesels and Performance Boxes

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Tuning Common Rail Diesels and Performance Boxes

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I'm interested in getting a common rail tuning/performance box for my 1.9 8v Diesel Bravo (DPF not included) there's quiet a few different makes of these boxes out there that claim better Fuel Economy and Torque.

What are peoples experiences with these?

Do the risks of more engine wear and maintenance worth the gains of which these boxes state to perform or not?
 
Boxes are generally a poor way of adding more power to a common rail diesel engine.

All the box does is piggyback the fuel rail pressure sensor, and tells the ecu the pressure is lower than it actually is. Therefore the ECU adjusts the fuel pressure regulator to increase the rail pressure, and this in turn gives more than the actual desired rail pressure. The result is more fuel flowing through the injectors, thus more power.

It comes with a downside though, increased wear on the high pressure fuel pump, which will end up failing in one of two ways. It either fails to provide sufficient fuel pressure to run the engine, or it will destroy your engine if it seizes as it will kill the cambelt in the process.

My brother fitted one to his Mondeo a couple of years ago and learnt his lesson. Thankfully his pump failed and lost pressure rather than lunching the engine.
 
Thanks for reply! Gambling I call it! Impression which I get with these boxes they all do roughly the same thing increase fuel pressure like you say! Some seem more safer than others and are dedicated to your engine or have lower limits or clever digital detection, but still a gamble on parts not lasting long as they should! Stories of clutches failing, injectors not big enough? As you said fuel pump failing and possible cam belt failure? Best to avoid me thinks! You've really put me off now! :eek:
 
Thanks for reply! Gambling I call it! Impression which I get with these boxes they all do roughly the same thing increase fuel pressure like you say! Some seem more safer than others and are dedicated to your engine or have lower limits or clever digital detection, but still a gamble on parts not lasting long as they should! Stories of clutches failing, injectors not big enough? As you said fuel pump failing and possible cam belt failure? Best to avoid me thinks! You've really put me off now! :eek:

As said they just mess with the fuel pressure signal. The trip computer may report better fuel consumption but that is only because the fuel flow is calculated from the injector flow rate and opening time. As the flow rate is dependant on pressure, if you increase the pressure over what the ECU thinks it is, the ECU calculates lower fuel flow and indicates a false improvement in economy.


Oh and don't forget to tell your insurance company if you fit one, your insurance may be invalidated if you don't tell them.


Robert G8RPI.
 
Hi,
If you do find you have any issues with insurance at all for this type of modification then please feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.
 
Think I would need some solid proof and convincing this wont kill my car early? To add one of these boxes! :tempt:
 
When I had my Punto JTD I had it "boxed" with a box from Novitec.
I bought the car from new in 2000 and when it turned one I had the box installed (at that time it wasn't plug and play, Novitec had to install it).
Hp went up from 80 to 105 and torque from 196NM to 230NM.
I think I had driven around 40,000 km at that time.
The fuel ecoonmy was about the same with and without the box, when I sold the car in 2005, the car had driven 210,000 km with an average of around 20 km/l (official average was 20.4 km/l).
So as far as I know, my Punto wasn't damaged by it.
And I have to say, it was the best Fiat I have ever owned (and I've owned a few) :)

That said, if I was going to tune my car (if I had a diesel) I would have it tuned directly in the ECU.
 
When I had my Punto JTD I had it "boxed" with a box from Novitec.
I bought the car from new in 2000 and when it turned one I had the box installed (at that time it wasn't plug and play, Novitec had to install it).
Hp went up from 80 to 105 and torque from 196NM to 230NM.
I think I had driven around 40,000 km at that time.
The fuel ecoonmy was about the same with and without the box, when I sold the car in 2005, the car had driven 210,000 km with an average of around 20 km/l (official average was 20.4 km/l).
So as far as I know, my Punto wasn't damaged by it.
And I have to say, it was the best Fiat I have ever owned (and I've owned a few) :)

That said, if I was going to tune my car (if I had a diesel) I would have it tuned directly in the ECU.

How did you get the HP and Torque figures, Was it put on a dyno? If it was dealer install only it sounds like it may have been a bit more complex then just a fuel pressure signal modifier. I can't see how you would get more 30% power increase with just a fueling change, you would have to increase the boost as a minimum.
Robert G8RPI.
 
How did you get the HP and Torque figures, Was it put on a dyno? If it was dealer install only it sounds like it may have been a bit more complex then just a fuel pressure signal modifier. I can't see how you would get more 30% power increase with just a fueling change, you would have to increase the boost as a minimum.
Robert G8RPI.

Yeah, it went on dyno before and after, allthough not at the Novitec dealer.
It was the very first tuning box from Novitec and exactly what it modified I can't remember. It took them about an hour to install I think and it was actually updated once after I bought it, as they had improved the box after I bought it.
And even my dealer knew I had it installed.
The only problem (if You can call it that) was the extra wear on the clutch, so I had to install a new one at around 120,000 km.
 
With the amount you'd have to pay for a decent tuning box, you might aswell go with the remap.

Firstly I would like to get a concept out of the way .. People say "no smoke no poke". It's accustomed that a powerful diesel will leave a big trail of smoke.. NO. This is not true.
A good mapped diesel will smoke no more than a regular diesel (a bit of smoke is fine). Likewise if you have been driving around town for ages and not done any full throttle stuff, some smoke on initial acceleration is normal.
When at full throttle there should not be more than a light hazing, normally only visisble at night under lights.. if there are big plumes of smoke then it's a crap map and something needs fixing.

Tuning boxes are pre-defined (a stock configuration basically) and come in a couple of types.

You have the vario-resistor type which, in effect, trick the car into over fuelling, normally plugging into the fuel rail line (tricking the car into thinking it's underfuelling) or fuel temperature sensor (again, a cold engine injects more fuel.)
These often cost up to £20-£100 brand new, normally from Ebay, and come in a box with no adjustability. In effect they are a £0.50p resistor in a £1.50 box with £0.20 of "go faster" stickers. Most things in cars run off electric signals and you can alter that signal by changing the resistance, ergo you can sometimes get more fuel into your engine by using resistors.

They cause poor driving habits, flatspots, excess smoke and unsmooth power delivery. In the long run they can damage your engine by over fuelling and producing excess soot (clogging up turbochargers (VNT mechanism), EGR valves, can clog cats and also DPFs if your car is fitted with one.

As a rule of thumb with diesels, more fuel = more power. Problem is to keep the fuelling right, most TDI's will automatically request more boost if more fuel is being sent to keep the AF mixture right. So either the turbo is left alone (depends on car) and you get massive smoke and lag from the excess fuel with not enough air to combust, or you push the turbo past usable safe limits and can shorten the life of it and your engine (let me tell you a blowing turbo can easily take out the top end of your engine).

I would not recommend these under any circumstances

Then you have the more complex type which I kind of refer to as mini-ECU's in their own right. They can cost from £150-£300 or even sometimes more.

Basically what happens is, they plug into a variety of sensors, injector rail, boost sensors and are in effect, a "flash remap" (I'll explain that term later) in a box. Normally the companies will get a car in and get a copy of it's fuel trims and data, boost, etc. They will then get a box to in effect emulate the signals from an ECU and replace with their new values.
You can tell these boxes as they are often adjustable with a little knob with different numbers, modes, etc. EG DTUK tuning boxes.

I would only recommend these for cars which are either a) under warranty and you don't want to risk it (in which case if you don't want to risk it I would personally leave it standard) or b) it's a loan car, hire car, or company car which you are not allowed to modify. They are not ideal but if you get one I would stick with a well known company such as DTUK who offer good support and assistance, and also dyno test their work 90% of the time.

Then you have remaps which are normally pretty good.
Revo, for example, generally are flash maps in which they have taken a car, designed a map for that particular car and then sell that map to their dealers, to "flash" onto cars which are the same.
This is better than a tuning box but the problem is that each car is going to be different so might not be perfectly suited to your specific engine..
Not to say it's bad but there is better out there.

Then you have a proper remap in which people will analyse each and every single bit of throttle opening %, rev range, etc, and adjust the fuelling specifically. These often cost between £250 and £400+ for a fully customized remap.

Personally I would either use R-Tech in Hinkley which are mainly VAG tuners but do other models like BMW, Vauxhalls, etc, Storm Developments who did my custom map for my ASZ injectors, again mainly VAG but I think they can do other things, and Darkside Developments who are one of the leading TDI tuners in the UK.

The above guys do fully custom remaps specific to your individual vehicle, and will get the best out of it.

In my opinion, if possible, always get a proper custom remap from a well regarded remapping company who specialise in your type of vehicle. EG I am a VAG man so the above 3 mentioned company are very well regarded in that. Ensure they perform the relevant checks on your vehicle before they start mapping it, making sure vital components are in good shape from an inspection, checking of any major boost leaks, if you have a diesel ensure the VNT's are not gunked up in the turbo, and that they have a dyno and can do a before and after, so you can see any major flatspots in the rev range.

BlueSpark - £279
Racechip Pro 2 - £200
TMC - Don't do one for 8v
Chipexpress - £395

Guy on the Bravo Facebook paid £200-£300 for a custom map with dyno.
Around my area ( South Yorkshire ) it's around £280.
 
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