So the new bravo was spied testing in Italy.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ly-dressed-in-grande-punto-clothes-97289.html

What's your thoughts on it? The article says it's at least a year away from release. Here's hoping that the styling is not anything similar to the Punto or the 500's.

Let's hope it sells well in Europe. I wonder if it'll be the new punto despite the fact that they are saying it'll be the bravo replacement

Not getting too excited about the shape but will watch with interest

gadge said:

Let's hope it sells well in Europe. I wonder if it'll be the new punto despite the fact that they are saying it'll be the bravo replacement

Not getting too excited about the shape but will watch with interest

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The shape should be taken with a pinch of salt. They hide the shapes for road testing. Often using older model parts to hide what they are actually doing. The road tests are about its handling and day to day performances rather than the look of the car

Yeah, just like the article says, they use body panels from any existing model, meaning the shape is nothing but finalized. I doubt they can come up with something as stylish as the bravo, but they proved with the Giulietta that they can do it.

A little quote from that stupid website:

"Remember the gawky Fiat Bravo? Recently phased out in Europe but still built in Brazil, this model was a bad excuse for a C-segment hatch. Furthermore, the undesirable Bravo even acted as the base for the Lancia Delta, which also ended production."

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...016-thanks-to-1-billion-investment-88650.html

Tad-bravo said:

A little quote from that stupid website:

"Remember the gawky Fiat Bravo? Recently phased out in Europe but still built in Brazil, this model was a bad excuse for a C-segment hatch. Furthermore, the undesirable Bravo even acted as the base for the Lancia Delta, which also ended production."

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...016-thanks-to-1-billion-investment-88650.html

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Probably someone with VW preferences wrote that article . This website is actually usually pretty critical with Fiat & Alfa but lately they've been praising their new models heavily.

Just as the Bravo was praised when it came out. Then when it was obvious it sells poorly, they just conclude "well, it must have been bad" and voila - that's how a car stereotype is created.

lyubohar said:

Just as the Bravo was praised when it came out. Then when it was obvious it sells poorly, they just conclude "well, it must have been bad" and voila - that's how a car stereotype is created.

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I think all magazines are like that tbh. I remember when the Peugeot 207 was launched, top gear magazine said how great it was, then when the 208 was launched, they said about how the 207 was actually fat and ugly!!

Wouldn't get too wound up. We all love our Bravo's so who cares what others think?

Matthewr1990 said:

Wouldn't get too wound up. We all love our Bravo's so who cares what others think?

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Unfortunately, there is people on this forum who cannot slag our Fiats off enough. These people should do us a favour and sod off, lol!

Seems to have a remodelled front which from what I can gather is a mix of pinto/dodge styling. The back has been squashed and rounded with a lot of grande input. But all in all I like it so far. I will need to see a concept art or a final pic to say if I will buy one. But I would like to see an Abarth version come out finally for this model. Something with around the 200bhp mark to combat similar competition models.


It's not just a FIAT. It's a way of life.

KHALED25 said:

Yeah, just like the article says, they use body panels from any existing model, meaning the shape is nothing but finalized. I doubt they can come up with something as stylish as the bravo, but they proved with the Giulietta that they can do it.

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A giulietta/bravo body mix could look nice if they spent some time tweeting some of the angles. A lower profile. Meaner looking front and an slick curved body sloping towards the rear would have a lot of appeal to it but with all cars they need the power plant to go with it. My friend brought a new focus the other week and it's a heavy car. Almost 2 ton. And it has a poxy 1 L engine. And I just thought to myself it's going to blow up as soon as it hits a hill.


It's not just a FIAT. It's a way of life.

It is a 1l engine, but it is also a bloody good one. They have had one running 220hp (Can't remember the torque figures) for long periods of time, albeit in a race car, so the power and reliability is certainly there.

Ford are good at making good cars afterall they knew to buy the 500 chassis didn't they

TheFiatMonkey09 said:

A giulietta/bravo body mix could look nice if they spent some time tweeting some of the angles. A lower profile. Meaner looking front and an slick curved body sloping towards the rear would have a lot of appeal to it but with all cars they need the power plant to go with it. My friend brought a new focus the other week and it's a heavy car. Almost 2 ton. And it has a poxy 1 L engine. And I just thought to myself it's going to blow up as soon as it hits a hill.


It's not just a FIAT. It's a way of life.

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Like Mathew said the shape has nothing to do with the final shape of the model itself. They use body panels from any other car when they don't want the design of the car to be leaked. See this article for example: a future Alfa SUV is being tested using the 500L body panels. Its clear that this thing is not the 500L.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ing-a-fiat-500l-body-photo-gallery-97323.html

I'm currently driving a focus unfortunately and I can tell you its not the most engaging nor the most comfortable ride. But I'm sure no car in this segment weights 2 tons. You might have confused it with the maximum kerb weight.

I drive the focus 1l ecoboost engine at work with 120bhp and think it's great fun!

I just think it's too small of an engine for a medium sized car. Yeah a 1.2/1.4 would be better at handling 220bhp but a 1 L sounds like it would be screaming it's nuts off with all that power. And it puts my off buying a focus which I actually like the look of very much.


It's not just a FIAT. It's a way of life.

The problem with the 123bhp Ecotec is that it feels like a 1.6 diesel partly to its 3 cylinder setup and partly due to loosing all power above 60mph. Saying that I was quite impressed by it.

Problem with the Focus is that its a harsh ride, much more so than my Bravo Sport and its difficult getting in without hitting your legs off the interior trip that wraps around the door, oh and the boot is tiny.

cardinalbiggles said:

Problem with the Focus is that its a harsh ride, much more so than my Bravo Sport

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I really don't see how this could be possible. Been driving both Focus and my Bravo on a regular basis. Granted, the Focus is Mk2, but still...

lyubohar said:

I really don't see how this could be possible. Been driving both Focus and my Bravo on a regular basis. Granted, the Focus is Mk2, but still...

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You can't say things like that. suspension setups vary greatly between models and also between countries.

If you import a bravo from brasil you'd feel like driving a yacht, maybe the focus in your country is also tuned for bad roads while the bravo was not.

Tad-bravo said:

You can't say things like that. suspension setups vary greatly between models and also between countries.

If you import a bravo from brasil you'd feel like driving a yacht, maybe the focus in your country is also tuned for bad roads while the bravo was not.

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Exactly, the focus can be had with many wheel sizes, each with its own set of tyre sizes, not to mention the different suspension setups. The one I'm driving has 215/55/16 tyres and it's noisy and crashy on poor roads, but I'm not sure whether it has sports or regular suspension. It does have better grip and less roll than my bravo which had narrower tyres.

The main problem with the Ecoboost engines is that I've read everywhere that they get really poor mileage, which defeats the purpose of downsizing in the first place.

I'm really hoping the new Bravo has a better suspension than the old one, especially regarding comfort and noise. It could be an attractive proposition if they get the looks right, because the looks remain one of the current bravo's best attributes.