Tad-bravo said:

You can't say things like that. suspension setups vary greatly between models and also between countries.

If you import a bravo from brasil you'd feel like driving a yacht, maybe the focus in your country is also tuned for bad roads while the bravo was not.

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Of course I can. He was comparing regular Focus to Sport trim Bravo. So it's not just about setup, it's sports suspension vs regular one.

There's no such thing as a regular focus as I told you the suspension is different from engine to engine, country to country not to mention how age affects it since you were talking of an old model and probably doesn't even have the standard shocks anymore.

TheFiatMonkey09 said:

A giulietta/bravo body mix could look nice if they spent some time tweeting some of the angles. A lower profile. Meaner looking front and an slick curved body sloping towards the rear would have a lot of appeal to it but with all cars they need the power plant to go with it. My friend brought a new focus the other week and it's a heavy car. Almost 2 ton. And it has a poxy 1 L engine. And I just thought to myself it's going to blow up as soon as it hits a hill.


It's not just a FIAT. It's a way of life.

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Poxy 1l engine? Most manufacturers are doing this now, VAG have just released a 1.0tsi for the Golf, The 500L weighs similar to a Focus yet comes with the .8l twin air.

Also, the 1.0 eco boost has won engine of the year numerous times now and can be had with 140bhp in certain models.

Most of these engine punch above their weight and more than capable of the vehicles they are fitted to.

Tad-bravo said:

There's no such thing as a regular focus as I told you the suspension is different from engine to engine, country to country not to mention how age affects it since you were talking of an old model and probably doesn't even have the standard shocks anymore.

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If you think it makes sense a 115 bhp diesel car in the same class, same country and in the basic trim level, to have harsher ride than a 150bhp petrol car in a "sport" trim - be my guest, go on with the theorizing (while I'm driving both cars every day)...

lyubohar said:

If you think it makes sense a 115 bhp diesel car in the same class, same country and in the basic trim level, to have harsher ride than a 150bhp petrol car in a "sport" trim - be my guest, go on with the theorizing (while I'm driving both cars every day)...

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You're arguing about which car is more comfortable with some guy in another country where the cars are probably very different.

Do you understand now how pointless that is?

Repeating myself is also very pointless so I'll stop here.

No, I'm arguing about two of my own cars - same country, original parts, etc. Clear now?

Thought the twin air engine was 900cc? Engine sizes have never been less relevant than in today's marker. You can get a 1.4 with turbos at 180bhp, yet a 2 litre mondeo has 130BHP. I no longer look at the actual engine size, just weight, power and torque. Which is how I found Vauxhall's new 1.6 which come with 198 BHP and are very easily remapped to 230 in the new Astra GTC. (My next car I believe)

Fact of the matter is, cars are all aligning now, build qualities, engine specs they've never been similar between brands. You can find a model for you in all manufacturers now. (Whether you actually like the looks is all subjective to the individual) but I don't think a bad car exists that is released after 2010. Yes you personally may not like them but doesn't mean they're bad. Main example is The Corsa. A fantastic car when you think about its value but you have to be that special kind of idiot to buy them and they're associated with that one type of person. I don't even need to explain. You all know ��