General The New Bravo

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General The New Bravo

I'm a T-jet fan too :) but I agree with everything your saying. And I couldn't tell if the 120bhp limit was just diesel or not. The wording isn't clear. Doesn't the Mito have a multiair engine with 120bhp? So maybe the same engine with a longer gear box?

I've not heard much about the multiair being unreliable other than the fact that's it's sensitive to oil levels/types, but yes I have a t-jet and it's a very solid engine. Mines remapped and looked after but still doesn't miss a single beat even at 71,000 miles


Yeah I think the press release has been translated from Italian - some of took a couple of reads for me to absorb & I had to look at other articles to get the full picture! The MiTo used to have a T-Jet with 120bhp (badged 'TB' 120), though it had a 5 speed box, which I think is different to the 120 T-Jet in the old Bravo? Then the MiTo got a MultiAir with 135bhp (5 speed box or TCT) and it got a power hike last year to 140bhp but was then only available with the TCT box.

They MultiAirs are great engines for performance, CO2 etc, and newer MultiAir's seem better for reliability as KHALED25 said, but the original 135 bhp and to a lesser extent 105bhp (possibly because of lower sales) has 'MultiAir Failure Database' thread on AlfaOwner.com and it's several pages long. The Giulietta has a similar series of threads for the 170bhp MultiAir too, so if hassle free running is what you're after, the T-Jet is probably the best bet!

99.99% sure they'll be using their dual clutch transmission. I'd prefer a regular automatic but they fiat don't make one apart from the special version of the ZF 9-speed auto they use in some higher models.


Agree totally with your other points. However they might just use the Dualogic gearbox with the Bravo replacement, as it's looking like it'll get smaller engines than FCA typically use with the dual clutch (TCT) box and the ZF auto. Also, the Dualogic gearbox is already shipped to the Turkish factory building this new car as they also fit it to the Qubo & Doblo produced there too, so it makes sense from a logistics perspective :)
 
Yeh I'm positive, what engine do you have? And I have the M32 box and it's still going strong at 71,000 miles :) so they're not all bad.

The bravo's here were sold with the dualogic gearbox until MY2013, and the 500s are still being sold with the dualogic now, albeit with 6 speeds now instead of 5-speed unit it was sold with earlier, so I'm certain they still produce it.

As JTD_Liam said, they could even end up using it since its cheaper than the TCT. However, even though I like it more than a dual clutch transmission, the dualogic is definitely not for everyone, and the power delivery is much smoother on the TCT.
 
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Am I hearing this right?? No longer using M32 in post 2010 models? :eek:
I have a 2011 Tjet 150 and it's the facelift model (The one with darker headlights and a silver grille as standard with no Tjet branding on the grille), and if this is true I'm gonna go asap to get a strong remap done without the fear of a gearbox breaking :D
 
Am I hearing this right?? No longer using M32 in post 2010 models? :eek:
I have a 2011 Tjet 150 and it's the facelift model (The one with darker headlights and a silver grille as standard with no Tjet branding on the grille), and if this is true I'm gonna go asap to get a strong remap done without the fear of a gearbox breaking :D
Oh my bad, you still have the M32 box haha.

Most models released after 2010 had the newer multiair engines and I'm sure someone can clarify that the newer diesels stopped using them too. You must have one of the last T-jet Bravos to of been built for the UK.
 
Oh my bad, you still have the M32 box haha.

Most models released after 2010 had the newer multiair engines and I'm sure someone can clarify that the newer diesels stopped using them too. You must have one of the last T-jet Bravos to of been built for the UK.

Hahahah I'm in South Africa :D We didn't get the Multiair engines here, and thank God we didn't! Heard so many stories of the Multiair engines in the Mito's dying like 6 months after new. Yeah for South Africa and I think a few other Markets they just did a facelift and only sold the Tjet 150s and I think maybe the 1.9 Mjet 150s.... pity it's still got that crap gearbox :bang:
 
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