The best thing about the t-jet 150bhp is that the engine/turbo is exactly the same as the grande Punto Abarth that's why it makes really good power when tuning.
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Hello everyone,
I'm looking at buying a Bravo 1.9 120, currently own a Megane which comes with a few gadgets, however it can't hold water out so it needs to go!
Few questions for you experts:
Do they have any leaking issues, like the megane?
Are there any issues re: DPF on the above model
And what is this issue re: the climate control as i'd quite like to have it but not if it will just break!
Any replies are appreciated!
Thanks!!
I'm looking at buying a Bravo 1.9 120, currently own a Megane which comes with a few gadgets, however it can't hold water out so it needs to go!
Few questions for you experts:
Do they have any leaking issues, like the megane?
Are there any issues re: DPF on the above model
And what is this issue re: the climate control as i'd quite like to have it but not if it will just break!
Any replies are appreciated!
Thanks!!
I own a Bravo 1.9D 120 the only issue I have had was the rear breaks disc squealed like hell, but I had them replace.
Otherwise the car is very quick at acceleration, I dont think this model does have the DPF problem.
The MPG is not too bad average 42MPG. You wont be disappointed
If you get the 150 diesel, comes without a dpf.
The 120 has DPF?
Not sure, all I know for certain, my 150 hasn't got one, which was a big buying point for me. Just done a trip to Wales from Leeds, averaged 56mpg. One happy chappy
How do I check whether it has DPF? Also, is 42 the best mpg you get? Is that on a motorway run or city?
I think only the 2.0 has a dpf but not 100%. I love the car, nippy, fun, had no serious issues, alternator packed in after a week of ownership but that was replaced by warranty. Shares a lot of parts with vauxhall so cheap enough to replace. Be a devil and Take the plunge!
The 1.9 diesels (120 and 150 bhp) don't have DPF's in the Bravo. In the Bravo the DPFs started to be fitted when Fiat introduced the 1.6 (105 & 120) and 2.0 (165) Multijet.
Of these it was only the first year or so of 2.0's that caused problems, but I believe Fiat moved the position of the DPF closer to the manifold after a while, meaning it got hotter easier & therefore re-generated at lower speeds or at idle, rather than only when you were hammering it at high speed. This appears to have worked as later 2.0 Bravo's and other cars with the 2.0 diesel (such as the Alfa Giulietta) have very little (if any) DPF problems. The 1.6 doesn't seem problematic in any case, but like all diesels, it's not suited to long term urban use & needs a good drive once a week to be at its best.
The advantage of the 1.9 120 Multijet is that it has a solid 5 speed gearbox. The others get 6 speed ones, and the one in the 1.9 150 in particular (Vauxhalls infamous M32 box) is a bit of a dog with an appetite for bearings at anything over 40,000 miles.
Climate control is one of the other Bravo foibles (of which there aren't many to be fair). It's standard fit on the Dynamic trim but option on the lower Active and higher Sport trims. Unfortunately the 1.9 Multijet 120 with no DPF and good gearbox is only available on the basic Active or climate-control equipped Dynamic (you can't get a 1.9 120 Sport), so you'll need to decide between potential climate control issues, or gearbox/DPF problems. Or just get the basic Active spec and have none, but have a more basic car!
Personally if you like gadgets, go with a 1.9 120 Multijet Dynamic, which is a solid engine, with a solid gearbox, and just accept that you might have to fix the climate control at some point - though saying that its more likely that the 6 speed gearbox on the 150 diesel and the T-Jet will play up than it is for the climate control to break, I reckon.
Only Bravo to avoid would be the first batch of 2.0 165 Multijets, which are on 58 & 09 plate. After that they started to turn a corner & I don't think any Bravo's are as problematic as the (big arsed) Megane. Never heard of any water getting into Bravo's either.
Of these it was only the first year or so of 2.0's that caused problems, but I believe Fiat moved the position of the DPF closer to the manifold after a while, meaning it got hotter easier & therefore re-generated at lower speeds or at idle, rather than only when you were hammering it at high speed. This appears to have worked as later 2.0 Bravo's and other cars with the 2.0 diesel (such as the Alfa Giulietta) have very little (if any) DPF problems. The 1.6 doesn't seem problematic in any case, but like all diesels, it's not suited to long term urban use & needs a good drive once a week to be at its best.
The advantage of the 1.9 120 Multijet is that it has a solid 5 speed gearbox. The others get 6 speed ones, and the one in the 1.9 150 in particular (Vauxhalls infamous M32 box) is a bit of a dog with an appetite for bearings at anything over 40,000 miles.
Climate control is one of the other Bravo foibles (of which there aren't many to be fair). It's standard fit on the Dynamic trim but option on the lower Active and higher Sport trims. Unfortunately the 1.9 Multijet 120 with no DPF and good gearbox is only available on the basic Active or climate-control equipped Dynamic (you can't get a 1.9 120 Sport), so you'll need to decide between potential climate control issues, or gearbox/DPF problems. Or just get the basic Active spec and have none, but have a more basic car!
Personally if you like gadgets, go with a 1.9 120 Multijet Dynamic, which is a solid engine, with a solid gearbox, and just accept that you might have to fix the climate control at some point - though saying that its more likely that the 6 speed gearbox on the 150 diesel and the T-Jet will play up than it is for the climate control to break, I reckon.
Only Bravo to avoid would be the first batch of 2.0 165 Multijets, which are on 58 & 09 plate. After that they started to turn a corner & I don't think any Bravo's are as problematic as the (big arsed) Megane. Never heard of any water getting into Bravo's either.
Jesus my Megane was bad, relatively new, only had 37,000 miles and it was TERRIBLE. Had it for less than 6 months between my grande Punto of the same age but 30k more miles and my current bravo.
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Really? What engine was in the smart forfour?
Both the 1.9 120 and the 1.9 150 use the C530 transmission, 5-speed in the 1.9 120 and 6-speed in the 1.9 150.
http://www.fiatpress.co.uk/press/detail/103
Hmm, that might explain why the failure rate of the 6 speed in the Bravo 1.9 150 seems lower than for cars with the M32 gearbox. However I was always of the understanding that the 1.9 150 used the M32 as well. Weird!
The 1.9 120 is still the safer bet I reckon.
For some weird reason they didn't use the C530 on all the models, they could have used without problems on the tjets as well.
So I'll have to live with the M32 for a few years yet
Was you going backwards?
I was racing audis and golf gtis on the way home.. 165 is slow my arse.
0-60 in 8.x vs 0-60 in 6.5
Anyone that thinks these cars is fast stock is deluded imo.
They are enough for getting past the mundane 1.x litre shopping trolleys . I bought this car to go slow and save cash along with my license .
