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Well i am from other side of Europe but i will open this thread anyway.

This morning our Bravo wasn't there anymore. Searched nearby streets but no results. No glass on the asphalt, nothing...
Dark blue, y.2010, 5-doors, two stickers on front windshield, one on the trunk... :bang:

On the back, the FIAT cover used to open the trunk was damaged already for months and police inspector thinks it could be where they entered. I hardly believe this theory. because it was damaged for almost a year... but i am no expert.
Police says, if the vehicle will be used for spare parts, we can considered it case closed. If it's used just for transportation from place A to B, there could be a chance...

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Sorry but your car's probably in pieces by now.

There's no way they managed to start the car without one of your keys, they probably towed it.

It also possible that an employee of a garage you repaired your car in made a second key and waited some time before steeling your car or sold the key and your address to a gang.
 
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Tad-bravo said:
Sorry but your car's probably in pieces by now.

There's no way they managed to start the car without one of your keys, they probably towed it.

It also possible that an employee of a garage you repaired your car in made a second key and waited some time before steeling your car or sold the key and your address to a gang.
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Lol! Ever heard of OBD hacking???
 
LSP said:
Lol! Ever heard of OBD hacking???
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I usually just ignore trolls who start their sentences with "lol" but I'll make an exception this time.

A canbus hacker is a smart thief, a smart thief wouldn't waste his time and skills on a fiat when he can steel high end cars just as easily.
 
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I am sorry to hear that.I own a dark blue one too. Although mine is MY.2009. Where was it nicked? Ljubljana or somwhere else? Was it a diesel or T-JET.
 
Tad-bravo said:
I usually just ignore trolls who start their sentences with "lol" but I'll make an exception this time.

A canbus hacker is a smart thief, a smart thief wouldn't waste his time and skills on a fiat when he can steel high end cars just as easily.
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got to really disagree here
but i guess you actually have no idea what you are talking about
as for stealing the car via obd it is actually very very easy if its your job to steal cars
and look where its gone from so even more likely
for the record i once removed the number plate off acavalier to drill a hole in the boot because i had deadlocked the car then dropped the keys in boot as i took my shopping out
the hole was still in the panel when i sold the car so could have entered whenever i wanted
 
Tad-bravo said:
I usually just ignore trolls who start their sentences with "lol" but I'll make an exception this time.

A canbus hacker is a smart thief, a smart thief wouldn't waste his time and skills on a fiat when he can steel high end cars just as easily.
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Don't be so naive please.... The most stolen car in the Netherlands is the the VW Golf. Approximately 95% of that are stolen due OBD hacking!

High end car? Give me a break! Besides: enough profit on a Bravo, with 2 minutes work!
 
Hi Karletto. Sorry to hear about your car. I do hope you manage to get it back.

As for Tad-Bravo's comments I shouldn't take much notice. He has a habit of knocking around this forum calling people trolls (and worse) and making comments that serve no purpose other than to wind people up.

Clearly you don't need to be a thief to know what you are talking about.

Judging from the original post this looks like quite a professional theft unfortunately, despite the Bravo not being 'high end'. As already mentioned, cars don't have to be high end to attract theives.
 
Mark075 said:
As for Tad-Bravo's comments I shouldn't take much notice. He has a habit of knocking around this forum calling people trolls (and worse) and making comments that serve no purpose other than to wind people up.

Clearly you don't need to be a thief to know what you are talking about.
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I see you've got a serious case of PTSD from another thread.

Try some xanax. ;)
 
carlorff said:
Was it a diesel or T-JET.
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bravo 1,4 tjet dynamic

There is some news, if we can call it that.
Next day on the floor a neighbor found the plastic piece which is mounted between the glass and the door on the outside... than a cop came and took it away. It seems there weren't just buttons and codes involved but also some force in order to open....
Damn cops all they can do is to report it stolen into Schengen system. :yuck: Not even bother to check the location. :bang: All they did is to drive around the town, in case the car was parked somewhere else...
 
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Perhaps they took it to the lab to check for fingerprints... It is possible.If I were you do try to check the web pages with used cars and car parts.Especially the ones from the Balkan area.Perhaps guys from the forum know the most popular ones if they live in the country.Montenegro,Albania,Kosovo,Bosnia...comes to my mind since in the past most of the cars were found there if they were stolen.I know it is not much...but at least it is a clue to keep you occupied and not feeling that you did not do anything.Keep your chin up...perhaps they will find it.
 
On this Bravo, to get a spare working key made , the locksmith would need the existing working key and the car.
Just taking the working key to a locksmith would not get you a spare working key. Data is needed from the car.


If the locksmith doesn't have a working key, the security code is needed to enable him to make a chip that will start the engine.
If he doesn't have the security code, he can get it from the main dealer or he can remove the immo box/ecu, pull it apart, de-solder the correct chip and read the info on the chip.
This is time consuming and a royal pain in the arse if he's trying to steal the car.
If he was going this route, he would almost certainly have picked the car open or picked the lock and made a key.
No need to break any plastic on the car.


Imo this car was lifted or towed.
No other method makes sense to me.


The police took the plastic away as evidence (witness marks etc) and to relate this method of entry to other car thefts.
 
If there's a sign of forced entry i would bet it was done to release the handbrake and snap the steering lock so as to get it on a trailer. If they've forced the entry it would be safe to assume they have no key and ECU hacking etc is all well and good but, if all you need to do, is get in release the handbrake and pull it on to a flat bed or trailer then you're off, no engine start needed and the car/van pulling it could go anywhere then, I hope you find it. But I very much doubt you will. Sorry to hear about that. I had a moped stole once whilst I was 17. I used it to work and to visit my girlfriend, and even though it was only worth about £1000 and wasn't very important to me I remember the feeling of knowing it was stolen and some grubby low life had picked me. And stole my possessions.
 
ponsaloti said:
On this Bravo, to get a spare working key made , the locksmith would need the existing working key and the car.
Just taking the working key to a locksmith would not get you a spare working key. Data is needed from the car.


If the locksmith doesn't have a working key, the security code is needed to enable him to make a chip that will start the engine.
If he doesn't have the security code, he can get it from the main dealer or he can remove the immo box/ecu, pull it apart, de-solder the correct chip and read the info on the chip.
This is time consuming and a royal pain in the arse if he's trying to steal the car.
If he was going this route, he would almost certainly have picked the car open or picked the lock and made a key.
No need to break any plastic on the car.


Imo this car was lifted or towed.
No other method makes sense to me.


The police took the plastic away as evidence (witness marks etc) and to relate this method of entry to other car thefts.
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Thanks for confirming what I said a few days ago.
 
ponsaloti said:
On this Bravo, to get a spare working key made , the locksmith would need the existing working key and the car.
Just taking the working key to a locksmith would not get you a spare working key. Data is needed from the car.


If the locksmith doesn't have a working key, the security code is needed to enable him to make a chip that will start the engine.
If he doesn't have the security code, he can get it from the main dealer or he can remove the immo box/ecu, pull it apart, de-solder the correct chip and read the info on the chip.
This is time consuming and a royal pain in the arse if he's trying to steal the car.
If he was going this route, he would almost certainly have picked the car open or picked the lock and made a key.
No need to break any plastic on the car.


Imo this car was lifted or towed.
No other method makes sense to me.


The police took the plastic away as evidence (witness marks etc) and to relate this method of entry to other car thefts.
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your lack of knowledge astounds me to be honest
i work on fiats everyday so i tend to like to keep abreast of whats happening and obviously one major problem is keys and bsi,im amazed to read that you think you would still need to remove eprom to read pin code
the clue by the way is in the region this car was stolen from,the guys out there spend every working minute working on hex solutions

to OP your car will have been entered by any means and then started and driven away,breaking steering barrels is hardly difficult if barrel on this model is still made out of plastic and then as mentioned car started via communications socket and joining of ignition wires via a dedicated new switch carried by thief
your car will be used as breaking or more possibly it will be given the identity of a crashed british car exported to your country then reimported here to england after 6 months given a new clean identity plate by dvla ,it will even possibly have original crashed bsi fitted so it tallies up with chassis plates and then sold as clean at good profit to organised crime
in this country the enforcement agencies are not interested in stopping this type of crime nor are the colluded minds of our insurance companies hiding behind their abi,all they care in is bottom dolar money back
have a read here for those interested in crime
http://www.atfprofessional.co.uk/
 
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