Technical EGR valves, has yours failed?

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Technical EGR valves, has yours failed?

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OK, as the title suggests. A number of people have had problems with loss of power on the mjets (predominantly 150s).

Have you had problems/replacement? If so at what mileage/age.

Mine at 19k 18 months old
 
Yes new EGR valve required on ours (150MJet Sport)

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37k miles and 15 months old

Apparantly the new one is "revised" design and should be ok
 
Yes new EGR valve required on ours (150MJet Sport)

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37k miles and 15 months old

Apparantly the new one is "revised" design and should be ok

Mines not a Bravo but would the revised design fit the 8valve 130 mJet on my GPS?

Just thinking ahead... 43,000 miles + 29months old, no problems.
 
av = 42mpg but I guess its the way we drive

The way you drive may also help explain why your EGR valve is OK. These engines need a good hard drive on a regular basis to keep their tubes clear.
 
Mines went at 26k miles, but I do short runs alot which explains alot. Cleaned mine and see really good after. But replacing it with a new one with alot of other parts.

Fess up Lee whats planned?
 
Mine went at 20k miles 18 months old. Just been replaced. I also dont do short trips, commute to work is 28miles. Also I wouldn't say i drive like a granny so i don't think drivin the engine hard prevents the prob at all. I think its just a flawed part. Dealer didn't mention new part being updated so i hope u guys on here that say it has been updated are right. Fingers crossed it doesn't happen again.
Its still a fantastic diesel engine though lets be honest folks!!
 
Usually, from experience and what I have gathered, loss of power appears to be the main sympton with decreased mpg as a secondary

It seems the valve normally sticks in the open position, so the turbo doesn't get quite as much exhaust flow as it should get, meaning that turbo lag feels worse. It usually feels more like an old-school turbo diesel - nothing, nothing, nothing, whoosh, rather than coming on boost more gently.

Fuel economy suffers too, as due to excess exhaust gas displacing oxygen in the cylinders, part of the fuel injected isn't burnt. This reduces the cars economy.

There is a lot of in-depth discussion of this over on AlfaOwner.com, this engine is also in the 147, 156, GT & new 159. A permanent fix is to clean out the EGR valve, so it is working freely, and then to cap it off at both ends. The ECU needs the EGR valve itself to be operating correctly or it throws up a code, but it cannot tell if no exhaust gasses are flowing past the valve. Car will still pass MOT emissions test although will be approx 10% more harmful emissions.

There are also "secondary swirl valves" in the inlet manifold, these close partially at low rpms and low load, to narrow the aperture for air entering into the cylinders - this increases its velocity, aiding volumetric efficiency. The same thing can happen with these valves, they can gunk up and jam up and cause the management to throw a hissy fit. This is happening in quite a few high mileage Vectras, which also have the same 1.9 16v diesel engine fitted, plus one or two Alfas.

Basically, what causes it is the soot from unburnt fuel mixing with oil mist that weeps through the turbo seals, back into the inlet tract. The oil weepage is normal, but long term it causes a sticky black tar-like substance that gunks up the inlet manifold. The amount that I scraped out of the inlet manifold of my old Alfa 2.4 JTD after 110k miles was shocking, you could have half-filled a Coke can with it :yuck:

Regular cleaning of the inlet manifold would hopefully prevent this from happening, but capping off the EGR pipe has to be the ideal solution IMO.

A good treatment of EcoTek Powerboost used to work wonders for my JTD, its like a fuel system cleaner but for the air intake, you spray it into the inlet manifold while the engine is running and it dissolves gunk and burns it. You can tell on the first run afterwards how much cack its cleared as the amount of smoke the car makes is shocking! (y)

Hope my waffling on has helped some of you :)
 
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Well it is a pipe taking hot exhaust gasses from the exhaust manifold and feeding them back into the intake. You might need to remove your engine cover to see it, but it should be in that area and fairly visible. I've not worked on a 1.9 16v JTD but I did a lot of work on my old 2.4 10v which is very similar, the EGR pipe is at the front of the engine, near the top. You could tell it was the pipe for the EGR system, as it was the hottest thing under the bonnet bar the exhaust manifold itself.
 
It's been in - currently running with EGR pipe blanked off until the part is correctly identified and ordered.

Power loss is obvious - almost stalled pulling out of a junction and acceleration like a 1.2 GP carrying the England back row. Revs ok with no load, but it just has no torque.
 
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