We've done the performance arguement before but I think this is an interesting take on the issue.

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Obviously no one pays those prices but any deal you get on a Tjet you're likley to get the same off an Mjet.

So have people with Mjets brought them under the impression it will save money or because they prefer diesel cars or they like the performance aspect/tuning ability.

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And what is with service cost ?? Diesel service is more expensive.

But even that, Petrol is my choice.

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And what is with service cost ?? Diesel service is more expensive.

But even that, Petrol is my choice.

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wow what an difference 80-120 in 6th!

Petrol for me too :slayer:

Trekster said:

wow what an difference 80-120 in 6th!

Petrol for me too :slayer:

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Are you sure petrols are cheaper to service? I have 18,000 mile intervals and don't need the oil changing.

What a stupid test... of course in the wrong gear it will take a while longer. Was stupid when the Stilo beat the Evo. It's still stupid.

Hellcat said:

Are you sure petrols are cheaper to service? I have 18,000 mile intervals and don't need the oil changing.

What a stupid test... of course in the wrong gear it will take a while longer. Was stupid when the Stilo beat the Evo. It's still stupid.

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Perhaps, but doesn't change the fact that the Diesel was slower in every gear.

Don't know the costs of service as comparing them to anything other than the costs in the UK will be pointless as the costs are probably different on a per country basis. The Diesel services are more expensive in Denmark than the petrols, however i don't know how it is in the UK. Also the taxes on the cars, the taxes to use the road are higher in Denmark, again this just shows that in some countries it might be different!

However I still stick to the petrol...i just don't like diesels :devil:

Dont even list the amazing 1.9 GPS MJet...

Anthow, I bought mine for £9,500 2 years ago (imagine that lol!) with just 1,500 miles on the clock. I did 20,000 miles a year for the first 2 years and I get much cheaper servicing than Main Dealer costs. So far I am totally happy with the car, esp re-mapped. 42,000 miles coming up now and she flies, uses hardly any oil and returns excellent mileage per gallon of diesel.

I'll keep it now maybe a year or so, then, as I am reducing business miles petrol will be a better option. Colt CZT then...

Now can you petrolheads stop trying to convince the world the TJet is better than the MJet?

Both are best at what they were meant for. Give it up FFS

Trekster said:

Perhaps, but doesn't change the fact that the Diesel was slower in every gear.


Don't know the costs of service as comparing them to anything other than the costs in the UK will be pointless as the costs are probably different on a per country basis. The Diesel services are more expensive in Denmark than the petrols, however i don't know how it is in the UK. Also the taxes on the cars, the taxes to use the road are higher in Denmark, again this just shows that in some countries it might be different!

However I still stick to the petrol...i just don't like diesels :devil:

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I was under the impression this was not a "performance" issue but an ownership cost thing?

I'd back my MJet against a TJet anytime on a dragstrip, in any gear (except 1st lol)

Diesels rock! :devil:

Trekster said:

Perhaps, but doesn't change the fact that the Diesel was slower in every gear.

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0-100kmph the diesel is 0.4 seconds slower according to that magazine. That's really a big margin to write home about. 4.5% faster Wonder what the MPG is over that speed. :chin:

If you look the speeds are different, with them almost all well below what gear you would usually be in for that speed. They might be ok for the petrol but you wouldn't drive a diesel like that if you wanted performance.

As for why I bought the Diesel.

Road tax is cheaper for multijet
With the price of fuel likely to rise the diesel becomes even better value.
If push comes to shove I can run it on waste vegetable oil.
I already have a quick petrol for if I want a true driving experience.
I like to cruise at motorway speed in almost silence.
I don't have any prejudices against either technology.

Why the t-jet:

Lower maintanance cost and lower starting price, insurances and tax too ( in my country )
Better performance
The car is very drivable ( better than a mjet )
Don't like noisy smelly tractors, there is nothing sporty about them..but that's just me...
Don't care about the fuel consumption, if i did i'd buy a diesel

špeljac said:

Why the t-jet:

Lower maintanance cost and lower starting price, insurances and tax too ( in my country )
Better performance
The car is very drivable ( better than a mjet )
Don't like noisy smelly tractors, there is nothing sporty about them..but that's just me...
Don't care about the fuel consumption, if i did i'd buy a diesel

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:shakehead: Yea yea whatever.... Nothing but NOTHING wrong with the MJet.

špeljac said:

Why the t-jet:

Lower maintanance cost and lower starting price, insurances and tax too ( in my country )
Better performance
The car is very drivable ( better than a mjet )
Don't like noisy smelly tractors, there is nothing sporty about them..but that's just me...
Don't care about the fuel consumption, if i did i'd buy a diesel

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What's a tractor got to do with anything? You almost made a reasonable arguement without resorting to stereotypical propaganda.

I had a new bravo mjet for a few days, and bought a t-jet, so i know the difference. The tractor was a comparison of a diesel engine ( loud, lots of vibrations until working temp. is achieved, smoke out of a exaust etc.)
Everyone should buy what the like, for me it was a t-jet, because i don't see nothing sporty in a car that peak's at 4000 rpm's and other reasons that i mentioned..I'll take a turbocharged petrol engine over a turbodiesel any time..

Ffoxy said:

:shakehead: Yea yea whatever.... Nothing but NOTHING wrong with the MJet.

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I didn't say anything is wrong with the mjet, just that i dont prefere them, no matter how many remaped hp and Nm they have

Audi R10... it's not sporty.

Why do people think that just because it's not got as many revs it's not as sporty? It pushes a bigger gearing! Think of 2 bikes. One on the big ring at the front, one on the smallest. The one on the smaller ring is spinning like a washing machine on final spin but the bike on the biggest ring is going faster.

Don't know anyone here with a multijet who has lots of vibration and smoke until it's upto temp. Taring all multijet owners with the same brush isn't going to be allowed here.

I don't have anything against petrols, but petrol owners seem to have a irrational hatred of diesels?

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I didn't say anything is wrong with the mjet, just that i dont prefere them, no matter how many remaped hp and Nm they have

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Noisy, smokey? Must be something seriously wrong with the diesel sold in Zagreb! In UK although our fuel is expensive it doesnt give the impressions you claim so what other conclusions can be drawn?

I will have a petrol car when I start to do less miles for work and pleasure, no objection to petrol cars whatsoever from me but that bland and witless statement about tractors is wholy wrong, ill thought out and biased.

£200 re-map and I'm one happy MJet driver! Some people need to open up their views.

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Audi R10... it's not sporty.

Why do people think that just because it's not got as many revs it's not as sporty? It pushes a bigger gearing! Think of 2 bikes. One on the big ring at the front, one on the smallest. The one on the smaller ring is spinning like a washing machine on final spin but the bike on the biggest ring is going faster.

Don't know anyone here with a multijet who has lots of vibration and smoke until it's upto temp. Taring all multijet owners with the same brush isn't going to be allowed here.

I don't have anything against petrols, but petrol owners seem to have a irrational hatred of diesels?

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The engine in R10 is nothing simillar to a factory engine. Why do Audi RS4 and RS6 don't have a diesel engine if it so great?
In the wtcc only a factory Seat team has a diesel engine ( pressures up to 3.5 bar's,all other specs unknown ) and budgets to acompany that.And private teams can only run petrol engines.

I don't have any hate against diesel's and their owners, i just stated why i chose a t-jet over a m-jet. Didnt' mean to affend anyone

@Ffoxy: Don't know about fuel quality, but see for your self. know it's an Opel ): 1.9 cdti, remaped...

špeljac said:

The engine in R10 is nothing simillar to a factory engine. Why do Audi RS4 and RS6 don't have a diesel engine if it so great?
In the wtcc only a factory Seat team has a diesel engine ( pressures up to 3.5 bar's,all other specs unknown ) and budgets to acompany that.And private teams can only run petrol engines.

I don't have any hate against diesel's and their owners, i just stated why i chose a t-jet over a m-jet. Didnt' mean to affend anyone

@Ffoxy: Don't know about fuel quality, but see for your self. know it's an Opel ): 1.9 cdti, remaped...

YouTube - astra cdti gtc opc

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Cool I'll check the video out later at home speljac. Not just wtcc using diesels now you know, they are showing up in many motorsport arenas and winning for performance and economy, 24hrs du Mans for example.

špeljac;1921839 said:

The engine in R10 is nothing simillar to a factory engine. Why do Audi RS4 and RS6 don't have a diesel engine if it so great?
In the wtcc only a factory Seat team has a diesel engine ( pressures up to 3.5 bar's,all other specs unknown ) and budgets to acompany that.And private teams can only run petrol engines.

I don't have any hate against diesel's and their owners, i just stated why i chose a t-jet over a m-jet. Didnt' mean to affend anyone

@Ffoxy: Don't know about fuel quality, but see for your self. know it's an Opel ): 1.9 cdti, remaped...

YouTube - astra cdti gtc opc

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A bad remap can make it smoke like its running on coal which appears to be the case with that astra its just over-fueling hence the black clouds. Good remap would give a performance increase with minimal smoke.
Personally having had a go in a modern diesel recently I can see why people like them although why you'd pay more to run one is still beyond me (my current car would require 77000 miles for the slower noisier diesel equivalent to break even). Petrol has a get up and go an top end speed, diesel is all about mid range and cruising depends what you would use more, off the lights speed or 50-70mph, although turbo petrols do seriously whittle down the diesel advantage in that area they also take big bites out the fuel tank if you use them hard.

Ffoxy if petrols at Lemans weren't revlimited and were also allowed to use unlimited turbo boost as the big dervs do it would be a no contest...can't win without rules being skewed to help

Remapped..

They're fueling too high for the burn and sending unburnt fuel down the exhaust. It's well known that a bad remap will cause excess soot.

The engine from the R10 is destined for the Q7 all be it in a cheaper version.

StevenRB45 said:

A bad remap can make it smoke like its running on coal which appears to be the case with that astra its just over-fueling hence the black clouds. Good remap would give a performance increase with minimal smoke.
Personally having had a go in a modern diesel recently I can see why people like them although why you'd pay more to run one is still beyond me (my current car would require 77000 miles for the slower noisier diesel equivalent to break even). Petrol has a get up and go an top end speed, diesel is all about mid range and cruising depends what you would use more, off the lights speed or 50-70mph, although turbo petrols do seriously whittle down the diesel advantage in that area they also take big bites out the fuel tank if you use them hard.

Ffoxy if petrols at Lemans weren't revlimited and were also allowed to use unlimited turbo boost as the big dervs do it would be a no contest...can't win without rules being skewed to help

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Yea I guess so Steven but not too many years ago they wouldntt have been able to compete with a petrol car no matter what. Its progress in the right direction