General cat back systems....

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General cat back systems....

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well.. to start of i have a 1.6 sx (p plate)

and would like to add a system to it..

i have been browsing the various systems available and am wondering what peoples favorites are. and what they thought of them

so if you have a cat back system / backbox i would loke to hear where you got it and what you think about it so i dont go and buy a crap one.

thankyou.

Joe. (ps if anyone has one in the shed i may be interested in buying it ;) )
 
on most cars a cat back system usually cant affect performance at all, however the bravo/a range seem to get some of the exhaust back pressure post cat (from the cat back part of exhaust). this means you can both increase and decrease the overall back pressure to a certain extent by fitting different cat back systems. adjusting the overall back pressure can have an effect on performance.

how does back pressure effect performance? well to keep it simple its the same as the overlap effect. actually thats a bad example if i'm trying to keep it simple. :eek:

erm, bascially think of it like this.

if you increase back pressure you will have the least amount of compression lost during the intake stroke, and the ratio of intake to exhaust gases will be high, and this can give torque gains at low rpm (more grunt). however at higher rpm you will begin to get too much exhaust gas left in the cylinders causing a loss of cylinder pressure (and therefore horsepower).

on the other hand if you lower back pressure you will suffer from scavenging. this is where the low pressure allows some of the air/ful mix to leave the cylinder before ignition. this unburnt fuel hits the lambda which causes the fuel injeciton to reduce fueling, worsening the situation. when that happens you have less fuel in the cylinder to ignite, causing a loss of torque at low rpm. however at higher rpm the incoming air/fuel mix is drawn is very well by the low pressure in the cylinder and exhaust, and also the exhaust valve closes quickly (before any can escape), so the amount of air/fuel in the cylinder actually increases, increasing horsepower.

so you have the issue of low rpm torque vs high rpm power.
do not underestimate the difference a change of back pressure can make, it can ruin a car and make it undrivable.

i know that sportex for example tend to follow the traditional approach of reducing back pressure to get a high rpm power gain. this works well on many cars (and looks good for marketing purposes since the average boy racer doesnt understand an engine but he can read a bhp number), but on some engines it leaves them feeling a bit too flat at low rpm. this has been reported by several bravo/a owners who have fitted sportex cat back systems.

i dont know about other brands, but generally they will all try to lower back pressure. usually this wont matter since on most cars the back pressure is created pre cat, so anything after the cat makes little or no difference, however that is not true on bravo/as so we need to consider carefully which exhaust to fit. personally i would want to maintain the stock back pressure mostly due to the fact that other people have had bad experiences with lowering it. i dont know if increasing back pressure would be a good thing on any model, but i think it is definately something worth while experimenting with. i made a few different exhaust configurations for my 1.6 bravo last year and found it made a big difference, but none worked as well as the stock exhaust so i gave up.

if you fancy making a constantly adjustable back pressure device (basically a wide muffler with an adjustable valve inside) to fit to the cat, and then use a rolling road to get different power and torque curves at different back pressures, you could find the best possible back pressure for your car. that would be fun, and its something i'd like to do, but my days of experimenting with things like this are over since i dont have the time or money any more. :(
 
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Wow! That's some write up Jug and really quite interesting.

I'll keep it simple - Supersprint all the way. I have one on the HGT and it's great. Not significant gains but definitely a little more grunt. Cat back, Supersprint measure a 2.5bhp increase on the 155 HGT (5% if you go fo rthe decat too).

I know a few people who have had the Supersprint on a 1.6 and swear by it (not at it as most who have Powerflow or thier ilk do).
 
ok.. wheich leads to the next question...

where is the cheepest place to buy a supersprint system?

they are pretty steep cost wise.
 
yes supersprint are generally very good, since they actually test their designs before selling them, unlike other pipe bending monkeys.
 
prices like that are the main reason i have a tailpipe (as well as the noise). :D

tbh when I got mine it was only £70-ish more than the standard exhaust. At the time (may still be true now) the 155 cat back was a FIAT only part and would have been around £250 fitted!! :(

So, pay £250 for a part that will last about 3-5 years or get a sports one for £70 more that looks great, sounds even better and will outlast 3 standard ones? Easy really. ;) (y)
 
tbh when I got mine it was only £70-ish more than the standard exhaust. At the time (may still be true now) the 155 cat back was a FIAT only part and would have been around £250 fitted!! :(

So, pay £250 for a part that will last about 3-5 years or get a sports one for £70 more that looks great, sounds even better and will outlast 3 standard ones? Easy really. ;) (y)

very valid point, unless you buy a car with a nearly new exhaust, like i did. but you're right i wouldnt replace it with another mild steel exhaust, i would rather spend the cash on a stainless one.
 
Cool video (y)

Alan, what tailpipe design do you have on yours, is it the twin squares? That's all that I can seem to find Supersprint wise for the Bravo but Im looking for something similar to the one they do for the Stilo Abarth (mini boxster style)

Or maybe something like this but with the Boxster style tips:
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Been thinking duplex for the past few days :cool:

*Edit* The above duplex isnt for the Bravo btw, it's just an image that I found when searching for Supersprint
 
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Couple of pics for you. There is only on style I'm afraid but it looks the nuts imho. (y)

Sorry if the pics are a bit big. Not the best with this old image stuff.

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I've got to admit dude that I wasnt too keen on that style pipe when I saw the pictures of it not fitted but seeing it fitted to yours and looking at how it sits with the bumper I think I really like it, it just seems right :D

I think I sense a purchase coming :cool:
 
I've got to admit dude that I wasnt too keen on that style pipe when I saw the pictures of it not fitted but seeing it fitted to yours and looking at how it sits with the bumper I think I really like it, it just seems right :D

It sits right because it's specifically designed for the car in the same way all Supersprints are. None of this "bend it here a bit more - oh that'll do" nonsense you are liable to get with custom systems. Remember, she will be going to Brooklands so if you want to hear / see before you buy then see us there. :D
 
Thanks for the positive comments guys. I know a few HGT owners that were gutted that they couldn't get one after hearing mine and are even more gutted now, having splashed out for a stock system, that it's available again.

I think the best thing about the Supersprint is the sound. It has a lovely burble at idle which only improves as it warms up and a nice roar that is not chav loud. Imagine if you will the rear of your car sounding just like the engine does up front and you'll be close. Quite subtle really. :)
 
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