Hi!

I have a question. What engines are compatible for a straight swap for a 1.2 16V Mk2 brava (2000 model)?
I mean an engine without the need for new wiring etc.

Would it be possible to install an HGT engine? If not,which would be the most powerful compatible one? Maybe a 155 HLX?

Would this fit? car.gr/parts/view/850308/

Thanks

Doesn't anybody know?

By the way,would the engine out of this 1999 Fiat Marea 155 HLX work?

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Any upgrade to a HGT/HLX engine would need a wiring loom change, not to mention Brake discs/ Suspension/ Gearbox, drives & Wheels.

Yours is 2000. Is it the older model or the 2001 setup? As some 2000s have the newer setup. (the 2001 version would have a fly by wire throttle instead of a cable one & it would have the CAT near the manifold inc 2 lambda sensors)

Hi,thanks for responding to my question

Actually I am 14 years old,this is my parents' car and I kind of persuaded my dad to swap the engine. However,we live in Greece,and here,the higher the cubic capacity of an engine the higher the taxes. So,in order for the vehicle to get tested and insured when needed,we would take the car to a trusted friend car mechanic of my dad to get the engine swapped.

Would pictures help in order for you to understand which setup the car has? The car was bought March 2000 (it was ordered some weeks before March).

Also,how difficult will the wiring be? Would it take a lot of time for an experienced mechanic? Also,if changing the suspension,gearbox,drives & wheels would allow swapping the 1.2 back in then no problem (most probably,unless it will cost too much).

If the above would cost too much (engine+gearbox+wheels... etc.) what would be both powerful and quick to swap? Would a 1.8GT or a 1.6ELX work?



When it was brand new,it looked like this car,same colour but with a rear spoiler :




I mean this spoiler :

TheMiltos21 said:

here,the higher the cubic capacity of an engine the higher the taxes.

Would pictures help in order for you to understand which setup the car has? The car was bought March 2000 (it was ordered some weeks before March).

Also,how difficult will the wiring be?

If the above would cost too much (engine+gearbox+wheels... etc.) what would be both powerful and quick to swap? Would a 1.8GT or a 1.6ELX work?

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I can assure you, the tax is the very same in Ireland & extremely expensive ( the UK have it easy )

I would need to see a picture of the Engine bay to see if it's the older or newer 2001 style setup.
If it's the newer setup, a 1.4 stilo engine (95bhp) should swap straight in.

Anything other than that, to upgrade an engine is alot of time and money due to re wiring ect.. You would need to be experienced to do it.

I would suggest, if it's not the newer '2001 design, that you simply get another car to save time & money also. It would be a much easier method than the path you're considering!

Check local laws first.
Here it is illegal to fit fivepot on Brava as it from low emission era and the engine was never in the car.
Bravo and Marea have the engine fitted from factory, so engine upgrades are possible.

The most powerful engine Brava has had from factory is the 1.8 barchetta engine (132hp) in special edition. Pretty hard to find, so the 115hp 1.8 is more common.

Re: Fiat Brava Compatible Engines

So,in conclusion,the only availabe straight-swappable engine is the 1.4 Stilo engine (if the car has 2001 wiring) or are there any others?

In my country I have seen the following Brava models (I mean just as a confirmation for their existence in Greece,but I do not care about the laws,as the engine will remain unregistered,the car will be just a "normal 1.2 SX" ) :

Brava SX (1.2 16V 81HP) <-- ours :slayer: haha
Brava SX (1.4 12V 79HP)
Brava ELX (1.6 16V 100HP/115HP)
Brava HGT (2.0 20V Turbo,but this one is 100% swapped)
Bravo HGT (2.0 20V N/A,from the factory) car.gr/classifieds/cars/view/4824838/

The following is from car.gr , a site full of used cars.
The one that seems the most appealing from those,seems the ELX 1.6.
I have found both 100HP and 115HP versions of that engine on that site,idk why. I have found some 96-97 models and a 03 one. Would any of these work without the wiring?

Look,the only problem is that we don't want extra cc taxes. Otherwise we would've just gone for a full swap,for example for a 20VT Coupe engine. However,we want it to be a pretty simple swap so that our mechanic can change the engine kinda quickly for the sole purpose of getting the car to ΚΤΕΟ,where they check the engine and suspension every 2 years so that the car gets a certificate for being able to be driven. And unless you have a friend there,you can get to pay much if you have an unregistered swap.

I would like you guys to give me all the available options so that I can discuss them with my dad and choose. We might even choose to swap a 1.6 forever,if it's not.. hot-swappable

Thanks a ton
Oh! I'll get a picture as soon as I can. Does the engine bay cover have to be removed for the picture? you can understand I'm a total newbie!

It looks like this :

Look, the whole idea of dropping an engine in and out every 2 years just to get your certificate is ridiculous, so just forget it OK? Some people swap a CAT on and off to get their test passed, but a whole engine and gearbox? No way.

As Neverth said, your late spec 1.2 (the same as i have) should be very compatible with the 1.4 16V Stilo engine which is just a bigger version of the 1.2, also maybe some Puntos got it as well... In any case you should do this as a permanent swap and probably make it official, unless it is really worth the hassle of you and your mechanic changing it around trying to save some tax.

Otherwise the best option (as you said) is the 1.6 16V, the rest of the mechanics (brakes, suspension etc) will be the same as the late 1.2 (with ABS I presume... check the size of the rear drums as well as the front electrics).

No wonder Greece has a big deficit if people want to go to all this effort just to avoid giving the government some money! My 1.2 Brava would be cheaper to tax if it had been registered just a few weeks earlier, but they changed the ratings to include CO2 emissions... That costs me about £30 per year compared to my older Tipo 1.4!

bluejohn125 said:

Look, the whole idea of dropping an engine in and out every 2 years just to get your certificate is ridiculous, so just forget it OK? Some people swap a CAT on and off to get their test passed, but a whole engine and gearbox? No way.

As Neverth said, your late spec 1.2 (the same as i have) should be very compatible with the 1.4 16V Stilo engine which is just a bigger version of the 1.2, also maybe some Puntos got it as well... In any case you should do this as a permanent swap and probably make it official, unless it is really worth the hassle of you and your mechanic changing it around trying to save some tax.

Otherwise the best option (as you said) is the 1.6 16V, the rest of the mechanics (brakes, suspension etc) will be the same as the late 1.2 (with ABS I presume... check the size of the rear drums as well as the front electrics).

No wonder Greece has a big deficit if people want to go to all this effort just to avoid giving the government some money! My 1.2 Brava would be cheaper to tax if it had been registered just a few weeks earlier, but they changed the ratings to include CO2 emissions... That costs me about £30 per year compared to my older Tipo 1.4!

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You know..I don't think we'd go through all this hassle for a 1.4 or a 1.6. Ι mean it's just 130€ more per year for a 1.6 in comparison to a 1.2,which would cost us just 130€. And the mechanic would require at the very least 150€ for two straight swaps.

But,the greek government wants us to pay 800€ per year for a 2.000cc engine,which is just too much. Who would pay so much for a car that costs around 1000€ (1.2/1.4 model)? That's why we'd go through the hassle,only for the 2.0 HGT engine.

So,since the 2.0 isn't just a straight swap,we should either make a permanent 1.6 swap or we should just sell the fiat and get a faster car. Don't you agree?

Hi once again! While searching for turbo fiat cars I came across the Pinto 1.4 GT Turbo. After a little research it seems that they share the same mounting points,and similar swaps have been done in the past.

Can a permanent swap be done? Seems like a great engine,as there are tons of parts in Greece,its cheap and it has a good amount of power

If your idea is now to make a permanent change as an interesting project, then I guess it would work. The 1.4 Punto turbo engine was basically the Tipo 1.4 bottom end and this is also the same as the 1.6 16V Brava bottom end so fitting it would be fine as far as subframes and shafts etc goes. But the control electronics (throttle ECU etc) would be older and simpler than on your late-model 1.2 Brava (probably nearer to the older 1.2s).

But if you just want to refresh your old 1.2 and make it more "grown-up" then just do the standard 1.6 conversion and make it official, there should be plenty of power and torque increase and the existing brakes and suspension will be fine. It should be a straightforward upgrade (obviously use the gearbox / diff from the 1.6 also).

I said what?

I think you meant JLenno

Engine swaps for older cars are generally bad news .There is serious lack of of help out there as many people dont want to work on such old cars .Often cheaper and better to buy another car with larger engine .Turbos have nasty habit to break in older cars Bigger non turbo is often cheapest simplest route . The price of fuel is dropping fast and looks to be set to stay low for another few years .The extra tax costs on the 2000cc will be offset with cheaper fuel unless governments up the fuel tax which is hard to know what the next government would do .
I got given in 2011 my 1998 Fiat 1400 Bravo SX with only 35000 miles on it from friend .Given choice I would have taken the 1200cc version any day as Irish tax is expensive for bigger engines and the smaller engine uses less fuel .
I researched the idea to change the engine to 1200cc as they are cheap in scrap yards but gave up due to all the technical problems that modern engines have with very complex electrics .

Hope that helps

Dave

fiatabuser said:

Engine swaps for older cars are generally bad news .There is serious lack of of help out there as many people dont want to work on such old cars .Often cheaper and better to buy another car with larger engine .Turbos have nasty habit to break in older cars Bigger non turbo is often cheapest simplest route . The price of fuel is dropping fast and looks to be set to stay low for another few years .The extra tax costs on the 2000cc will be offset with cheaper fuel unless governments up the fuel tax which is hard to know what the next government would do .
I got given in 2011 my 1998 Fiat 1400 Bravo SX with only 35000 miles on it from friend .Given choice I would have taken the 1200cc version any day as Irish tax is expensive for bigger engines and the smaller engine uses less fuel .
I researched the idea to change the engine to 1200cc as they are cheap in scrap yards but gave up due to all the technical problems that modern engines have with very complex electrics .

Hope that helps

Dave

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If you can find a ph1 GTV TS the wiring is almost the same as the pre facelift Bravo. Then you have the running gear too, all bolts in. Those cars are cheap as chips (I have one for sale here)

Hello guys.I have the 2001 1.2 16 bravo.Fly by wire but not abs.My engine code is 188A5000.I was wondering is 1.6 is a straight swap or do i need wire looming etc?
Secondly which is the 1.6 engine code so i can have a look.
Third is the 6 gear box from a punto sporting compatible with my bravo?.
Thanks for your time

Is your bravo 16valve..or 12valve ?

I dont think the 1600 motor is worth the weight..

Charlie

varesecrazy said:

Is your bravo 16valve..or 12valve ?

I dont think the 1600 motor is worth the weight..

Charlie

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My motor is the 1.2 16valve

So should i avoid 1.6 engine and look for the 1.4 from a Punto sporting for example?

The 5 cylinder from the HGT ot even better the 5 cylinder turbo from the Coupé 20vt
Are both bolt in ....abit of fidling with the wiring and job done