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hi all fitted a new alternator,car wouldnt start(no spark). then fitted new camshaft sensor(still no spark)..tried different battery...still wont start...bravo 1.8hlx p-reg. immobiliser code comes on when i put key in then goes off....car turns over but wont start..can someone tell me am i missing something..is there a cuttoff switch anywere on the car which may need resetting..tried taking the battery off for 5 minutes then putting it back on to see if it will reset the car.but didnt help.all help appreciated..thanks.
 
gvmllr said:
hi all fitted a new alternator,car wouldnt start(no spark). then fitted new camshaft sensor(still no spark)..tried different battery...still wont start...bravo 1.8hlx p-reg. immobiliser code comes on when i put key in then goes off....car turns over but wont start..can someone tell me am i missing something..is there a cuttoff switch anywere on the car which may need resetting..tried taking the battery off for 5 minutes then putting it back on to see if it will reset the car.but didnt help.all help appreciated..thanks.
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oh dear looks like your car is in dire straights at the moment

theres a posibility you might have knocked or unplugged phase(cam)sensor doing the job to gain axcess it's on the end of the manifold i think kind ov above the alternator give that a check

the crank and cam sensors on thet sequential injection are the only things that wouls stop injection and spark

how exactly did you change alternator out the top or bottom
 
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hi mate,my mate changed it from the top end of the engine. there wasnt no room at the bottom even with the drivers wheel off..
 
hi just update...im going to get a diagnostics done on thursday sometime. its just a pain knowing the cars been of the road for 2 weeks...ill keep you updated..
 
There is a fuel inertia switch, but think that dosn't affect the spark.
Sure you have not moved the crankshaft sensor or connections, they are close to the alternator. Make sure the sensor has not moved away from the toothed wheel.
T.
 
reddy4bed said:
There is a fuel inertia switch, but think that dosn't affect the spark.
Sure you have not moved the crankshaft sensor or connections, they are close to the alternator. Make sure the sensor has not moved away from the toothed wheel.
T.
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the crank sensor is on the gearbox end i doubt it could move away from the wheel

but as you mate did it i would ask him if there's a possibility he has unplugged that cam sensor plug above the alternator at this stage i think that's the most likely thing as i know those engines will not run without it they don't have the facility to go over onto non sequential injection so simply stop

diagnostics should tell you if either of the cam or crank are open circuit or value too high or low
 
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hi mate again...no look with diagnostics,bloke didnt have the connector for a 96 model...only had connector for 99 model. a mechanic told me that the coilpack will be ok as none of them are sparking. he said its more than likely the coil itself. its situated just above the alternator. its a black round thing what the coilpacks plug into...what do you think. ive had a look to see were it is. going to take it out tomorow as its easy access.
 
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hum can you have a look for the ignition relays and fuses in the secondary fuse box in the glove box there both hidden off and up to the left you'll have to look hard for them not in plain view

erm i doubt the coils

i hope he disconnected the battery before doing it

if not and if the ignition was on then the fuse for the circuit that has the warning light on it may have blown not sure what else that feeds maybe a posability if the battery was on
 
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littlepip17 said:
hum can you have a look for the ignition relays and fuses in the secondary fuse box in the glove box there both hidden off and up to the left you'll have to look hard for them not in plain view

erm i doubt the coils

i hope he disconnected the battery before doing it

if not and if the ignition was on then the fuse for the circuit that has the warning light on it may have blown not sure what else that feeds maybe a posability if the battery was on
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hi mate again,lol. he disconnected the battery when he changed the alternator. im just wondering weather a surge of power has gone through and blown the coil when hes re-connected it. im just going on what ive been told by a mechanic. he checked fuses on passenger side and drivers side....all seem to be ok. if it was the ignition relay wouldnt that stop the car from turning over. thanks..
 
gvmllr said:
hi mate again,lol. he disconnected the battery when he changed the alternator. im just wondering weather a surge of power has gone through and blown the coil when hes re-connected it. im just going on what ive been told by a mechanic. he checked fuses on passenger side and drivers side....all seem to be ok. if it was the ignition relay wouldnt that stop the car from turning over. thanks..
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no ignition relay just trigers ecu and from there fuel pump and powers coils injectors the injection light behaves sop that will be ok i would think

coils on them are not known to fail from any such power serge that just doesent happen they only fail from fatigue and age or overheating from overwork with naf plugs simple as that
 
gvmllr said:
hi all fitted a new alternator,car wouldnt start(no spark). then fitted new camshaft sensor(still no spark)..tried different battery...still wont start...bravo 1.8hlx p-reg. immobiliser code comes on when i put key in then goes off....car turns over but wont start..can someone tell me am i missing something..is there a cuttoff switch anywere on the car which may need resetting..tried taking the battery off for 5 minutes then putting it back on to see if it will reset the car.but didnt help.all help appreciated..thanks.
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Hi mate I have the same problem, and I have checked all the fuses and my engine just wont turn over. I have a Haynes manual and in the book it states that if the crankshaft sensor is damp, dirty or has anything in the gap of the sensor and flywheel the engine will not turn over. I did not check it cause it sounded bit silly but some posts on here are making me think twice.

So am goin to have alook and see if its in good nick and ill get back to you.

T
 
oh god it's contagiouse







well there must be something to do with people changin alternators and cars stooping there must be something there doing or missing

i mean a few bolts a live and a warning light wire or is it an exciter wire not sure on them cars normally just for the light on fiats but even if the alternator didnt charge right away the car would start infact it would start without an alternator entirely believe it or not

so what has everyone taken off to gai axcess

there are plenty of wires and earths about there one must be lose

was there an earth on one of the alternator bolts that was dropped and forgoten about
 
Surely it cant be that difficult to make a starter turn?
The term "engine turning over" means just that ie when you look at the alternator belt it is rotating.
Can only be battery, leads earth and +, and starter motor and control from ign switch to starter solenoid.
Cam or crankshaft sensors arent active until the engine "turns over".
 
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reddy4bed said:
Surely it cant be that difficult to make a starter turn?
The term "engine turning over" means just that ie when you look at the alternator belt it is rotating.
Can only be battery, leads earth and +, and starter motor and control from ign switch to starter solenoid.
Cam or crankshaft sensors arent active until the engine "turns over".
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it is turning just not sparking or injecting
 
sorry guys, but others are jumping on the back of the original poster and coming up with different information, I inadvertantly answered to that one (bravo boy).
T.
 
yeah the cars turning,but its not sparking.. to be honest i think my so called mate cant be arsed to do anything about it. its doing my head in. ive asked him on several occasions have you missed a wire or a bad earth but he says no. i dont know what ill do. ill probably end up scrapping a very good car. the only thing i can think of is the problem lies somewere around the alternator. because before my mate changed the alternator the car ran ok even though it died the batt down and we had to bump it off.
 
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yeah the cars turning,but its not sparking.. to be honest i think my so called mate cant be arsed to do anything about it. its doing my head in. ive asked him on several occasions have you missed a wire or a bad earth but he says no. i dont know what ill do. ill probably end up scrapping a very good car. the only thing i can think of is the problem lies somewere around the alternator. because before my mate changed the alternator the car ran ok even though it died the batt down and we had to bump it off.
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can you tell me what engine it is again i keep thinking it's 1.8 or is it:confused:

i really feel for you really wana come and fix it for you but it's a long way beginning to think a fix my car meet would be a fantastic meet and probably a forum first

once i know engine i can have a good look a t exactly what is imediatly around the alternator

also did you say it ran after changing the alternator and then stopped

if so then the jump start can't be blamed for killing it i spose but a posible faulty alternator overcharging can kill things and it's the most common fault besides not charging i have fitted many to find they overcharge did your mate (well beginning to think he aint your mate any more) check ouput voltage

most suseptable would be ecus i spose but acording to engine and code lights there working

so on the bright side it can't be out expensive in theory

oh hows the cambelt may have been disturbed wile messing with belts

tell you what i think were getting down to basics here to find the answer cam belt timing powers and earths to coils

we know ecus are working not necessarily triggering but hay it's a start goto work out why
 
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The Sultan said:
can you tell me what engine it is again i keep thinking it's 1.8 or is it:confused:

i really feel for you really wana come and fix it for you but it's a long way beginning to think a fix my car meet would be a fantastic meet and probably a forum first

once i know engine i can have a good look a t exactly what is imediatly around the alternator

also did you say it ran after changing the alternator and then stopped

if so then the jump start can't be blamed for killing it i spose but a posible faulty alternator overcharging can kill things and it's the most common fault besides not charging i have fitted many to find they overcharge did your mate (well beginning to think he aint your mate any more) check ouput voltage

most suseptable would be ecus i spose but acording to engine and code lights there working

so on the bright side it can't be out expensive in theory

oh hows the cambelt may have been disturbed wile messing with belts

tell you what i think were getting down to basics here to find the answer cam belt timing powers and earths to coils

we know ecus are working not necessarily triggering but hay it's a start goto work out why
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hi mate,the engine is same as yours,1.8hlx. he didnt touch the cambelt..no the car ran before the alternator change allbeit with a push due to flat battery.i really appreciate you taking the time to help. as you know yourself when you have something you like,you want it going.ive had some cars over the years but i just seem to love this car. if you ever feel like coming over ill happily help with your petrol costs and coffee. i feel like im being a pain in the arse.
 
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