Well, the 'B' is a little boat so should have a bilge pump as standard fit.

F4ust, wear dark trousers.

F4ust, don't wear trousers.

No trousers!!!!!!!

Do you mind, I've got to sleep tonight.

Lets keep it above the belt guys

Thanks to all for the help. I haven't tried any of the advice yet, but will do so this weekend. I'd hate to shatter the glass though, especially since the nearest replacement is 8000kms away. My next problem? Trying to find how replacements work for remotes and keys. As you know the vehicle has coded keys, but mine came with a single ignition/door lock key, so if I ever lose that I am scuppered. No one here knows if I would have to replace the whole 'magic box' in the car; But after a' that, its a lovely car!

I think I'm right in say that all Barchettas, even end of line 2005 version came with Fiat Code System I as standard. This means that they would originally have two types of keys and in the B's case another key:

Keys are:

1) Master Red Key - 1 off
2) Driver Key - 2 off
3) Valet Key - 2 off (valet key will work ignition & dors but not console and boot locks)

If you do not have the Red master key then the problem/restriction you will find is that additional keys can not be added and existing keys can not be removed from the system. To add news keys your only cheap option is to have your existing key cloned.

The only other time I believe a red master key is required is if either the ECU or the Key Code unit fail. Both are not cheap options and some people have investigated or fitted "code free" ECUs.

Dave, I am in exactly the same position as you. I too, only have one key and one remote. I don't have the red key. I can get my key cloned at my high street locksmiths but I am waiting to see how Afroking gets on with his replacement remote/receiver unit. If this works, I will probably get one myself, get a cloned key and junk the single remote that I currently have. I still wont have the red key and hope that I can get by without needing to ever reset the ECU.

Steve

I've often pondered this red key dilema and what other options are avaialble. I have my red key and only have the one car which requires one. My other car is a Fiat Code II system.

On Fiat Code systems there is a PIN overide function via the throttle pedal. This will allow failed keys and keycode units to be bypassed. It would not be rocket science (i would/will do this if I ever have to) to create a little box of tricks to simulate the timings/pedal depression & release to automatically issue the PIN code.

1) Turn ignition on mechanically
2) wait for keycode recognition failure
3) press "now" button on dash/box of tricks...wait for green light
4) turn to start (or get the box of tricks to send starter motor signal)

The good news is that if you are a non UK person then you will have the PIN number
The bad news is if that you are a UK customer then getting the PIN number is a little more tricky.

s130 said:

I think I'm right in say that all Barchettas, even end of line 2005 version came with Fiat Code System I as standard. This means that they would originally have two types of keys and in the B's case another key:

Keys are:

1) Master Red Key - 1 off
2) Driver Key - 2 off
3) Valet Key - 2 off (valet key will work ignition & dors but not console and boot locks)

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There were only 3 keys issued per car as I remember..collecting my brand new '98 Coupe...

No valet key: The set was 1 blue/alloy for driving. 1 red program key and 1 blue plastic handle 'service' key for the garage. It works the ignition but not the locks. 'Service' key has an extra tooth that can be filed off to turn it into a normal key.

My 53 reg was the last configuration I think until they discontinued production. It had an alarm fitted and came with two blue/grey keys and locking fobs, one red key and one blue valet key.

patches said:

My 53 reg was the last configuration I think until they discontinued production. It had an alarm fitted and came with two blue/grey keys and locking fobs, one red key and one blue valet key.

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Why do you keep calling it a valet key? There is no such animal..its really a dealer key. Completely useless for valet as it doesn't work the door locks.

My apologies. I stand corrected. I keep calling that as that was what the mostly useless FIAT dealer told me it was.

Rustbucket said:

Why do you keep calling it a valet key? There is no such animal..its really a dealer key. Completely useless for valet as it doesn't work the door locks.

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Right, hands up, I may have caused a little of the confusion here because I too also said "Valet Key".

When I get a few moments to spare I'll dig back into my info/manuals/etc AND try all keys in all locks to establish the keylock lay of the land for a 2005 "B".

Till then ...blame meeeeee

And who's fault is it we have a blame culture?

Just kidding, just another exciting eccentricity of the car we love!

s130 said:

Right, hands up, I may have caused a little of the confusion here because I too also said "Valet Key".

When I get a few moments to spare I'll dig back into my info/manuals/etc AND try all keys in all locks to establish the keylock lay of the land for a 2005 "B".

Till then ...blame meeeeee

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And this is what we find:

Key A) Red key - everything including key programming - 1 off
Key B) Blue/Grey round key - everything except key programming - 2 off
Key C) Blue oblong - ignition only - for dealer/garage use

Now why did I say valet use as opposed to dealer key. Quite simply because Fiat's 3rd key is neither a valet or dealer key. In fact it could be considered useless except for the chip inside.

A common definition of a valet key is a key that will allow the car to be open and started/driven but will not open glove boxes, boots, trunks etc. i.e. personal storage spaces are kept secured.

The fiat dealer key will only allow ignition operation. So the dealer can't lock or unluck your car, or even get into the boot/trunk to check the spare tyre, replace rear bulbs etc.. So the key is about as useful as a chocolate spanner.

This being the case the dealer key is nearer in function to a valet key than a key which would allow the dealer to properly/fully service your car.

Now given the lovely hot sunny climate of Italy/Monaco where every posh convertible car always has the hood and windows down when parked, then you don't need a key to lock/unlock the doors as you just reach over or not bother to lock the car at all. Now the Fiat dealer key is 100% a valet key.

s130 said:

And this is what we find:

Now given the lovely hot sunny climate of Italy/Monaco where every posh convertible car always has the hood and windows down when parked, then you don't need a key to lock/unlock the doors as you just reach over or not bother to lock the car at all. Now the Fiat dealer key is 100% a valet key.

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You reckon the posh of Monaco/ San Tropez would be seen dead in, near or beside a cheap Fiat? More like a Rolls Cabrio.

Fiat call it a 'service' key so the mechanics can use it to run the car in the workshop..no more no less.

If you file off the extra tooth that stops it working the locks then it makes a good standard spare key.

Guys,

Old thread, but need some help, so, going back to the windows...how on earth do you get to "B" points?!

I've taken off the door card, and I believe i can get to A and C - if i put the window down there are two small hexagonal head screws you can "adjust" in and out - is this right?

I can't see how to get to B though, must I remove more of the door? all the seals seem stuck on?

Cheers,
David

DavidEvo said:

Guys,

Old thread, but need some help, so, going back to the windows...how on earth do you get to "B" points?!

I've taken off the door card, and I believe i can get to A and C - if i put the window down there are two small hexagonal head screws you can "adjust" in and out - is this right?

I can't see how to get to B though, must I remove more of the door? all the seals seem stuck on?

Cheers,
David

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Hi David,
I have just replaced the window mechanism, via a purchase from Henk, who gave me the 10% discount for being a member of Fiat Forum. I will try to attach some photos to assist you and anybody else who are attempting window adjustments. In relation to the grub screws for adjusting the height of the window, you will have to take off the door cap, which is secured by the three screws and rubber button at the end. The rubber strip below is fixed by a channel in the door cap and another channel that sits on the top of the door, but it will come out either when the door cap is removed or will lift out after the door cap is off. You will then need to lower the window to access the two grub screws. If you tighten them it lowers the window height. But be aware! there is no stop on the screws, so if you go to far, the screw will fall straight through. On the window slide guides an allen key will make the adjustment for moving the window in and out.

First picture should be the barchetta door cap undone.
Second picture should show the position of the height adjustment grub screw.
Third picture should be a view of the adjustment grub screw
Fourth picture of the slide guide adjustment.
Position of the slide guide with allen key.