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I have a 2009 model 1.2 sport. Recently my boot opens whilst Im driving. I hear a click and a message "boot open" comes up. If I drive over a bump it opens and I have to go out and close it. The same happens again if I go over another bump. What could the problem be and how can it be solved, please?
Thanks in anticipation. Incidentally I will need to replace the light bulb above the number plate.
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I'm betting you have a remote keyfob, with the third button to open the tailgate. A similar problem was experienced a while ago, on a Stilo, I think, but not important. The buttons on the key were sticking, so operating when they should not have. Will need opening up and cleaning out, or possible replacing with a new casing from Ebay. Be very careful when opening the fob, the immobiliser chip is a small glass phial and is easily broken. Break it and you are in a huge amount of inconvenience and financial pain.

Drive it for a day or so with the spare non-remote key. The problem will probably not be there.
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@Nadia122 ,
do let us know if this was the problem,
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I'm betting you have a remote keyfob, with the third button to open the tailgate. A similar problem was experienced a while ago, on a Stilo, I think, but not important. The buttons on the key were sticking, so operating when they should not have. Will need opening up and cleaning out, or possible replacing with a new casing from Ebay. Be very careful when opening the fob, the immobiliser chip is a small glass phial and is easily broken. Break it and you are in a huge amount of inconvenience and financial pain.

Drive it for a day or so with the spare non-remote key. The problem will probably not be there.
I will give that a go with the spare key. The prob with the remote with the 3 buttons is that the boot won't open unless you depress the bottom 3rd button. There's no key hole in the boot that will allow you to put the key in and open it manually. I will nevertheless give that a go and see what happens.
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@Nadia122 ,
do let us know if this was the problem,
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I will update , for sure. Thanks
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I will give that a go with the spare key. The prob with the remote with the 3 buttons is that the boot won't open unless you depress the bottom 3rd button. There's no key hole in the boot that will allow you to put the key in and open it manually. I will nevertheless give that a go and see what happens.
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I will give that a go with the spare key. The prob with the remote with the 3 buttons is that the boot won't open unless you depress the bottom 3rd button. There's no key hole in the boot that will allow you to put the key in and open it manually. I will nevertheless give that a go and see what happens.
Once the car is unlocked, the boot should open by squeezing the rubber 'handle' between the number plate lamps.
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Once the car is unlocked, the boot should open by squeezing the rubber 'handle' between the number plate lamps.
You won't believe this but the rubber handle has never worked since I bought the car ( 3 years ago). Yes I should have asked them to look at it but I didn't. Silly me
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You won't believe this but the rubber handle has never worked since I bought the car ( 3 years ago). Yes I should have asked them to look at it but I didn't. Silly me
Ouch!

Yes, should have complained immediately. Microswitch in handle is a frequent failure point, but switch on its own is not available. Needs whole 'handle' assembly costing around 200, plus fitting.
I've just 'fixed' mine on the Panda by fitting a separate switch, quite discreet, but involves a bit of fiddling and some soldering. Definitely not a garage job, as labour will be horrendous, if you found anyone able and willing. Not sure of the shape of the 500 handle, so don't know if there's space for the same mod on yours.

I assume as you've not mentioned cabrio, that yours is the normal hatch. There is a latch on the lock that can be released from inside the boot, so once the rear seat is folded, and anything in the boot moved, the latch can be pushed to open the hatch. Fine for getting it open to repair, but not practical for everyday.

As the handle microswitch is not operating, we can hope that this is not the cause of the problem. So go with the spare key for a few trips, see if the problem occurs, or not. If you really need to get into the boot, you could carry the main key, but it needs to be put somewhere soft, so it does not react to bumps. Inside a jiffy bag might do it. In a handbag full of other 'stuff' might not work, if heavier stuff squeezes it.
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Ouch!

Yes, should have complained immediately. Microswitch in handle is a frequent failure point, but switch on its own is not available. Needs whole 'handle' assembly costing around 200, plus fitting.
I've just 'fixed' mine on the Panda by fitting a separate switch, quite discreet, but involves a bit of fiddling and some soldering. Definitely not a garage job, as labour will be horrendous, if you found anyone able and willing. Not sure of the shape of the 500 handle, so don't know if there's space for the same mod on yours.

I assume as you've not mentioned cabrio, that yours is the normal hatch. There is a latch on the lock that can be released from inside the boot, so once the rear seat is folded, and anything in the boot moved, the latch can be pushed to open the hatch. Fine for getting it open to repair, but not practical for everyday.

As the handle microswitch is not operating, we can hope that this is not the cause of the problem. So go with the spare key for a few trips, see if the problem occurs, or not. If you really need to get into the boot, you could carry the main key, but it needs to be put somewhere soft, so it does not react to bumps. Inside a jiffy bag might do it. In a handbag full of other 'stuff' might not work, if heavier stuff squeezes it.
Oh dear ! I used the basic spare key a lot today. Mainly night driving. Everytime the light is switched on (on the stalk), the boot opens. I then have to go out and slam the boot door to close it.
However in the day time the warning light comes on , to advise that a door is open.( when I was using the remote key).
Not sure what will happen in the day time, when I use the spare key.
This problem with the boot opening is quite a newish thing.
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The diagnosis is changing.
The wiring to the tailgate passes across the hinges at the top, inside a bellow-like tube. With a lot of opening and closing, the wires have been known to fray. I now think the problem lies in there.

Initially you were experiencing problems when going over bumps, and I thought key button stuck, just making contact as it jarred. Of course, the 'contact' could be within the wiring at the tailgate.
You also reported a bulb not working above the number plate. This could also point at a wiring issue, rather than the bulb.
Now, you have boot open when you turn the lights on. If wires are touching at the tailgate hinge, all these issues could be caused.

I think there is a repair kit available. Do a search for tailgate wiring issues and see what comes up.
The repair is labour intensive, as each wire needs to be separated and replaced. Do you have anyone in the family, including you, who might be capable of this?
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Quote Originally Posted by portland_bill View Post
The diagnosis is changing.
The wiring to the tailgate passes across the hinges at the top, inside a bellow-like tube. With a lot of opening and closing, the wires have been known to fray. I now think the problem lies in there.

Initially you were experiencing problems when going over bumps, and I thought key button stuck, just making contact as it jarred. Of course, the 'contact' could be within the wiring at the tailgate.
You also reported a bulb not working above the number plate. This could also point at a wiring issue, rather than the bulb.
Now, you have boot open when you turn the lights on. If wires are touching at the tailgate hinge, all these issues could be caused.

I think there is a repair kit available. Do a search for tailgate wiring issues and see what comes up.
The repair is labour intensive, as each wire needs to be separated and replaced. Do you have anyone in the family, including you, who might be capable of this?
No sadly there isn't anyone in the family that I can turn to. I will do a search for tailgate wiring issues.
I was looking yesterday how to change the bulb and at warning lights on the dashboard and am pretty sure I came across something about wiring issues and the bulb. I will try and find it in my search history and see if I can attach a link to see what you think? Is that ok? with you PLEASE?
I'm going to hve a look now and report my findings. Thanks for the moment.
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No sadly there isn't anyone in the family that I can turn to. I will do a search for tailgate wiring issues.
I was looking yesterday how to change the bulb and at warning lights on the dashboard and am pretty sure I came across something about wiring issues and the bulb. I will try and find it in my search history and see if I can attach a link to see what you think? Is that ok? with you PLEASE?
I'm going to hve a look now and report my findings. Thanks for the moment.

I think this is it, above. My friend came round earlier and we tried both keys and played around. Eventually we found that both number plate bulbs were working. It must be the wiring. My friend's going to see if the mechanic he uses is free and if so I will take the car over to his garage and see if he can help. I hope he can.
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Get a cup of tea, and have read through of this thread: http://www.fiatforum.com/500/354891-...ng-cables.html
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Quote Originally Posted by portland_bill View Post
Get a cup of tea, and have read through of this thread: http://www.fiatforum.com/500/354891-...ng-cables.html
Page 6 of 7 is the one! Talk about Spaghetti junction. I wouldn't be able to do that but maybe my dad might know a Man who/that does. Hope it isn't expensive.My dad's waiting for a call this morning from the garage owner. I believe he's going to do a test!
Thanks. Wish me luck!
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