Please forgive me if I got this wrong, I half read a post on another forum regarding new MOT regulations coming soon, one topic was warning lights or messages on the dash and seemed to say,

All warning lights must come on(to see if the bulb/system is working or has been disabled say by the owner so it does not show up)

All warning lights must go out once started etc

I agree with all of that but seems to also say,

All messages must show and then clear once started, such that if you have say, TPMS,stop/start(emissions control),blind spot monitoring(not working),traction control, radar braking etc, still on, then its a failure?

Another point was 'only' main dealers(Fiat/Mazda ETC) would be able to do MOT's in the future given "they, the dealer" would be the only people who would know the infinite combination of lights/messages for that particular make, model, year and trim level and options that may have been ordered at the time of purchase?

Thoughts please and if I've got it all wrong don't be harsh?

This is certainly news to me.

Can you post a link to this? I've done a quick search, but it's not coming up with anything I haven't seen before.

In NI only government MOT centres can test your car

jrkitching said:

This is certainly news to me.

Can you post a link to this? I've done a quick search, but it's not coming up with anything I haven't seen before.

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I read the article on the Mazda forum I belong to, here's a link to the post which may or may not be view-able to non members and if I'm not allowed to link please delete the post

http://www.mazda6oc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=6387

John202020 said:

I read the article on the Mazda forum I belong to, here's a link to the post which may or may not be view-able to non members and if I'm not allowed to link please delete the post

http://www.mazda6oc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=6387

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I can't view it without registering .

I've no problem with the link myself - it just reinforces how good this forum is .

Back to topic - I generally read the official MOT testing station publications and I haven't seen anything along the lines of what you've described. There are some EU wide changes supposedly coming in 2017 but I've not seen anything regarding how they might be incorporated into the UK MOT (if at all, given the brexit situation). VOSA have put a lot of investment into building up the independent MOT testing network (except for NI) and I can't see them suddenly wanting to do anything which would restrict testing to franchised dealers.

John202020 said:

I read the article on the Mazda forum I belong to, here's a link to the post which may or may not be view-able to non members and if I'm not allowed to link please delete the post

http://www.mazda6oc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=6387

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Can't read that message. I don't know of anything new, but there has been a requirement for many years that certain lights are a fail directly e.g. ABS, airbag or emissions failure or an effective fail because they stop the tester doing something e.g. EML.
It was always assumed the tester could tell what lights should come on, but in the early days of ABS removing a bulb (and possibly a badge) was a common trick. All new cars have ABS, Airbags and Emission control so those are a given. If they really want a car specific list it would not be a problem as all the details are stored on a central computer so the system could tell them what to look for in the same way as they are told what the emissions levels are. Having confirmed laws saying an OEM can't force you to use an approved dealer for servicing under warranty the EU are unlike to force you to use them for an MOT.


Robert G8RPI.


Robert G8RPI.

When I mot'd a 500 a couple of months ago, the bloke asked me what the orange light on the dash was. I told him I turn the shop start off! I guess he thought it was an error light.

Most cars revert back to having the stop start activated when you next use the car which is probably why he was confused.

For years the rules on things like taxis and busses have incorporated this type of criteria for more vigorous testing as they are used in public service.

Any garage who has worked with these types of vehicles know only too well how to get round the various lights not working properly.

I know of many occasions that a simple rewire job has been done to turn off a light but still have it come on and go off with ignition as if all is working normally

I turned off the stop/start on my 2013 500 twinair and it stays off ..

Lots of people with VW Group cars have this problem as many many issues regarding the engine and turbo are programmed to cause error codes but not an engine light.. therefore drivers who aren't technically minded could be living with a crap to drive car for a long time not even realising it needs service done to it.... evil.

Let alone garages doing this!

werdna said:

I turned off the stop/start on my 2013 500 twinair and it stays off ..

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Why do you want it to stay off?

I love our's S/S'ing. It's quiet and peaceful at junctions and I find other cars sitting there with the engine running a bit noisy and quite pointless.

We have a 2001 Clio, and it's a pity that it doesn't have S/S.
Yes, I know I could turn off the ignition and then restart, but that's inconvenient. Having automatic S/S is brilliant, and it seems a waste to disable it.

Best wishes,
Mick.

As I have said in a previous post, I drive it like a motorcycle, slowing down rather than stopping, so it's not required. Mostly longer drives. [emoji106]

Hi this is what the first post on the Mazda forum suggested

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In less than a year my 2014 Mazda 6 Tourer is due for it's first MOT check. Before then I may change it for the much upgraded 2017 model (last I think before the 'All New' Mazda 6 in 2018) however, if I do still own it next year, I am aware that not only do all the normal car safety features like: seat belts, ABS, breaks, tyres, suspension, wipers, lights etc. have to pass the test, but EVERY added safety feature has to be working as well.

This means that in theory they have to test the Smart City Brake System, Radar Cruise Control, Auto Dipping Headlights, Adaptive Headlights, Lane Changing Warning, Lane Keep Assist, Adaptive Blind Spot Warning and Rear Cross Traffic Alert as well - Not to mention i-eStop, i-Stop and Auto Tyre Pressure checking, as my particular car has them all . Any one of those not working correctly could cause the MOT to fail - therefore, is it now imperative that a main dealer has to carry out the MOT and not a back-street garage?
Mazda 6 Sports Nav Tourer Auto Gearbox
2.2D 175bhp - 19" Wheels
xtras: Safety Pack, Radar Cruise Control
Auto Folding Wing Mirrors
Space Saver Spare
Colour:Soul Red
Fuel: BP Ultimate only
Purchased:31/7/14

As to whether the extra safety systems will increase the chance of a warning light displaying and hence cause problems for an MOT. Well, you might have a point there. But that is something you can check every day when you drive the car so should not come as any surprise!
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which is why I asked here?

Looks like speculation on the Mazda owners part, but it raises an interesting point concerning all of these "wonderful" new safety aids. Does the MoT tester simply look for any safety related error indicator or message? If so, that's trusting that the manufacturer's software reports any error. If not, it means actually testing the system. Good luck getting that lot done for 50-odd quid!

werdna said:

As I have said in a previous post, I drive it like a motorcycle, slowing down rather than stopping, so it's not required. Mostly longer drives. [emoji106]

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Waiting at the traffic lights?

Not if I know they are there and have planned an alternative route. When one is retired and time is not a factor, one can enjoy the road much better. Also like avoiding rush hour !

In our village of Gunnislake, Cornwall, there's only one way through .......... through the traffic lights.

It's basically a cross-roads on the A390, so there's four of 'em. One either way on the main road, and one at each of the side roads. Each light takes turns as there's only room for one-way traffic. Sometimes, it takes nearly three minutes to go green.
The S/S copes well enough.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.5...4!1sflnnANrAuo6iJQGComWxqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Greetings from sunny Cornwall,
Mick.

John202020 said:

Hi this is what the first post on the Mazda forum suggested

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In less than a year my 2014 Mazda 6 Tourer is due for it's first MOT check. Before then I may change it for the much upgraded 2017 model (last I think before the 'All New' Mazda 6 in 2018) however, if I do still own it next year, I am aware that not only do all the normal car safety features like: seat belts, ABS, breaks, tyres, suspension, wipers, lights etc. have to pass the test, but EVERY added safety feature has to be working as well.

This means that in theory they have to test the Smart City Brake System, Radar Cruise Control, Auto Dipping Headlights, Adaptive Headlights, Lane Changing Warning, Lane Keep Assist, Adaptive Blind Spot Warning and Rear Cross Traffic Alert as well - Not to mention i-eStop, i-Stop and Auto Tyre Pressure checking, as my particular car has them all . Any one of those not working correctly could cause the MOT to fail - therefore, is it now imperative that a main dealer has to carry out the MOT and not a back-street garage?

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The second paragraph is mainly theorising by the Mazda forumer. Except that a faulty tyre pressure monitor on a post 2011 car would be an MOT fail.

I agree, so say radar cruise faulty and therefore anti collision braking inoperative warning on mean it would fail as it does not fulfill the original manufacturer's specifications when sold.
And would the insurance be invalid?

gazz_bee said:

Except that a faulty tyre pressure monitor on a post 2011 car would be an MOT fail.

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How will they test that? By making a test drive with one tyre with a faulty pressure? If so, then MOT tester becomes a dangerous profession. (The indirect TPMS of my 500 only works when driving.)