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Have they sent me the wrong ones??

I've ordered some Denso ixu22 plugs to do a change and I've got the car in bits but it looks like they are shorter than the plugs coming out. ImageUploadedByFIAT Forum1423398231.111070.jpg
Has anyone else changed the plugs and had the same?ImageUploadedByFIAT Forum1423398292.587351.jpg
 
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The plugs on the right look like the Denso iridium plugs you ordered, but those on the left don't.
 
The ones on the right are the ones I ordered. And the others are the ones I've just taken out. They don't seem to be the same. A quick Google seems a few others have had the same issues but no one seems to know if they are ok to run.

Don't think I'll take the chance tho
 
The ones on the right are the ones I ordered. And the others are the ones I've just taken out. They don't seem to be the same. A quick Google seems a few others have had the same issues but no one seems to know if they are ok to run.

Don't think I'll take the chance tho

Are these plugs taken from a 1.2?

I thought the correct NGK iridium plugs were DCPR7EIX ?
 
I just ordered them from eurocarparts, the website said they would fit a 1.2
 
The OEM plugs used in the 69HP Euro5 1.2 FIRE are unique to that engine and were developed by NGK specifically for it. Basically they are similar to the plugs used in both the Euro4 1.2 & the 1.4 16V, except the tip is projected forward by 2mm.

There is no direct precious metal equivalent - which is a pity, because the copper core OEM plugs don't last very long before losing performance.

NGK DCPR7EIX are a close match - basically the same plug without the projected tip and with a 0.8mm gap instead of the 1.0mm gap on the copper core plugs. There is no problem with fitting them in a 1.2 500 and they won't damage your engine; the consensus view here is that the benefits of the precious metal plugs outweigh any advantage you might get from the tip projection.

AIUI the DXU/IXU22's are an exact Denso equivalent for the NGK DCPR7EIX.

I've been running both a Euro4 and a Euro5 1.2 with DCPR7EIX's fitted for an extended period with absolutely no issues whatsoever.

See this thread for the long version of the story.

CAUTION: Do not attempt to change the gap on any precious metal plug - the electrodes are extremely brittle and you risk both ruining the plugs and seriously damaging your engine.

The 500 starts & runs just fine with an 0.8mm gap, and the reduced load on the coil packs might mean they last longer as well.
 
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Have they sent me the wrong ones??

I've ordered some Denso ixu22 plugs to do a change and I've got the car in bits but it looks like they are shorter than the plugs coming out. View attachment 149463
Has anyone else changed the plugs and had the same?View attachment 149464

Yes and yes. My 1.4 16v has been running with the Denso ixu22 iridiums that look exactly the same as yours for nearly 10 k miles now with no issues. The car starts and runs noticeably better than it did with the OEM copper plugs and the 0.8 mm gap is fine. (y)
 
Four years ago I had the same problem, I wanted to have iridium but I didn´t find them with projected tip. But in the end I found the NGK IZKR7B (some audi application), looks a little different but the spark-gap is in the same position like the OEM one.

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But meanwhile there is the NGK ZKR7AI-8 availible that is used by Fiat for the CNG-Variants of the 1.2l 8v engine.


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I put them in and went for a 100 mile round trip and it ran perfectly.

Thank you for everyone's help
 
Four years ago I had the same problem, I wanted to have iridium but I didn´t find them with projected tip. But in the end I found the NGK IZKR7B (some audi application), looks a little different but the spark-gap is in the same position like the OEM one.

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NGK_ZKR7A-10.JPG

NGK_ZKR7A-10_vs_IZKR7B_01.JPG

NGK_ZKR7A-10_vs_IZKR7B_02.JPG


But meanwhile there is the NGK ZKR7AI-8 availible that is used by Fiat for the CNG-Variants of the 1.2l 8v engine.


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Interesting - thanks for posting this.

It's a shame you weren't around at the time of the original thread - you have a lot to contribute.

It's hard to measure precisely from photos, but it looks to me like the tip projection on the IZKR7B is longer than on the OEM ZKR7-A-10. That worries me a little, as clearances are tighter on the higher compression Euro5 engine and if a piston crown were to hit an Ir plug it would likely wreck the engine. I know yours has run fine for 10k miles, but clearances vary slightly from engine to engine and also on the compressibility of the plug washer and I'd hate to see anyone else try this and be less fortunate.

The NGK LPG8 does indeed look interesting as it has an identical form factor to the OEM ZKR7A-10 - I don't think these plugs were available at the time of the original thread. The only downsides I can see are that the heat rating is likely wrong for petrol (LPG burns hotter & LPG plugs are therefore designed to conduct away more of the heat), and the cost - they're almost three times the price of the DCPR7EIX.

The original logic behind the decision to go with DCPR7EIX was that the form factor is identical to that used in the Euro4 1.2 FIRE and slightly shorter overall than the OEM plugs (so they were certain to be physically safe). The consensus view was that the slight difference in the cylinder flame placement point was unlikely to make much difference, particularly since the ignition point jumps all over the place on the Cu core plugs (see the pictures of used plugs in the original thread).

I was the 'guinea pig' who first tried the DCPR7EIX in the 1.2 500; several others have now also made the conversion and the collective view is that they work fine without issues and are also good value for money; less than £30 a set and plug life will be at least 40k miles. For everyday road use, IMO they're the best compromise.

If I were going to use a 1.2 on the track (why would anyone do this?) or for very hard motorway driving, those LPG plugs look tempting, even at £65 a set.
 
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It's hard to measure precisely from photos, but it looks to me like the tip projection on the IZKR7B is longer than on the OEM ZKR7-A-10. That worries me a little, as clearances are tighter on the higher compression Euro5 engine and if a piston crown were to hit an Ir plug it would likely wreck the engine. I know yours has run fine for 10k miles, but clearances vary slightly from engine to engine and also on the compressibility of the plug washer and I'd hate to see anyone else try this and be less fortunate.

You are right, it´s about 0.8mm. But before installing them, I turned a cylinder in the upper dead center and measured, there was enough space, even if you consider elasticity of the con-rods at 6300rpm....

The NGK LPG8 does indeed look interesting as it has an identical form factor to the OEM ZKR7A-10 - I don't think these plugs were available at the time of the original thread. The only downsides I can see are that the heat rating is likely wrong for petrol (LPG burns hotter & LPG plugs are therefore designed to conduct away more of the heat), and the cost - they're almost three times the price of the DCPR7EIX.

I don´t know the LPG8, but the ZKR7AI-8 (which is different of the LGP8) is the same regarding the heat range like the OEM ZKR7A-10 and the price is not that expensive. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4x-NGK-Sp...492?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cec426af4

So, if I have to replace my IZKR7B I will go for the ZKR7AI-8.

The original logic behind the decision to go with DCPR7EIX was that the form factor is identical to that used in the Euro4 1.2 FIRE and slightly shorter overall than the OEM plugs (so they were certain to be physically safe). The consensus view was that the slight difference in the cylinder flame placement point was unlikely to make much difference, particularly since the ignition point jumps all over the place on the Cu core plugs (see the pictures of used plugs in the original thread)....

I was in the same situation int the past and wanted to go for the DCPR7EIX, but then a found the audi plugs.
 
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Olliver, it seems you have done much the same research as I did when first fitting DCPR7EIX.

I don´t know the LPG8...

It's the NGK recommended plug for the 1.2 LPG 500.

Interestingly the LPG8 is the recommended plug for both 1.2 & 1.4 engines (the petrol versions have different OEM plugs). The fact that the DCPR7EIX is also NGK's recommended upgrade for the 1.4 (which has always used the same plug as the 1.2 without the tip projection) is one of the reasons we decided the tip projection wasn't particularly significant.

Certainly I doubt very much anyone would be able to detect any difference in either running or mpg between projected and non-projected tip versions of the same plug without some very specialised equipment.

The difference in better starting and running from fitting Ir plugs (whichever version you choose) is, however, generally noticeable without any kind of specialised testing and one I'd recommend to all 1.2 owners.
 
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Do you have the long NGK code for the LPG8? I only have found the reference-Nr. 6806...

The difference in better starting and running from fitting Ir plugs (whichever version you choose) is, however, generally noticeable without any kind of specialised testing and one I'd recommend to all 1.2 owners.

Me, too. I totally agree!



Nice as reference:

http://ngkntk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sparkplug-cat-2013-new.pdf
 
Do you have the long NGK code for the LPG8? I only have found the reference-Nr. 6806...

I was searching for exactly that earlier this morning, without any real success. I did find this and this, but you've probably found these yourself already.

AFAIK the LPG8 is new to this year's catalogue.

It'd be interesting to compare the LPG8 to the DCPR7EIX but I suspect in practice any difference will be slight and hard to measure without specialist equipment.

It's surprising that Fiat are still fitting copper core plugs in the 1.2 - IMO they're not up to running to the 18k service interval on fuel containing ethanol. If they'd fitted iridiums as standard, they could likely have taken the plug change interval to 36K, which at main dealer prices would knock around £100 off the cost of an 18k service.
 
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I think the LPG8 and the DCPR7EIX are pretty similar as they both cover a huge range of vehicle applications.
Anyhow, for me the ZKR7AI-8 is the best upgrade solution for the Euro5 1.2l because it´s also a projected typ as you can read this from its code and the price is O.K., too.

A word about the IZKR7B, they are a so called semi-covered projected type (the reason for the different appearence, that might let you think they are longer, but this is only marginal) and they have a platimum tip also at the ground electrode which extends the life time even more. And perhaps they increase the compression ratio after the third decimal place... ;)
 
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