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Tuning Twinair Remap
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Mercky, hi. I really don't know why you're having such an issue with this? If I were you, bearing in mind you are in Eire, why not give a random Fiat franchise/dealership in mainland UK a call and ask to speak to the service manager. Explain your issue and give them your VIN number and ask them outright what the correct spec oil is for your car and see what they say? Hopefully this will confirm what your indie has told you.
I've used this query method plenty of times before with dealerships all over the UK, including those in the Channel Islands.
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Good move jr. Thanks for that.
Well anyone would be forgiven for not knowing if their only source of information was Fiat's website; I actually found it impossible to answer this question from the website alone and needed to download a current brochure. Even then, the information you need has to be painfully extracted from a table which is buried on page 43.
Having done that, AIUI, the additions to the 105 (apart from the extra power which is kinda obvious) are as follows:
Uprated ventilated front discs
Discs instead of drums at the rear
ESC instead of EBD
6 speed gearbox in place of 5 speed (also no Dualogic option on the 105).
The brochure makes no mention of the technical changes to the engine but AIUI the turbo at least is different on the 105.
By any measure, collectively it amounts to a lot more than just a remap. I'd also say it's reasonable value given the modest increase in price. But I doubt it's any less profitable for Fiat - their beancounters will have seen to that.
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Well done jr. That list seems to cover it. Thanks
Thanks for actually answering rather than being antagonistic. OK, so what are these extra bits actually costing Fiat?
Front discs Let's say £5-10 pounds extra?
Discs at the rear? Probably cost about the same amount as drums, it'll be a few quid difference at most. I think it will be
ESP? 320 quid retail so I'm going to say a third of that for the ECU and any sensors.
Gearbox. I'm going to say £50 extra cost to Fiat and I suspect it's possibly less.
~£170 there possibly even less, possibly more.
The turbo and differences in the head aren't going to add that much cost anyway.
Fiat won't be losing money charging £600 extra for all of that
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Unless I'm mistaken, this is the same list of additions that came with the 1.4 16v, with the exception that Dualogic was also available as an option with the 1.4.
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There are no differences in the head anymore. The cylinder head that was introduced with the TA105 is present on every Euro 6 TA85.
Of course FIAT makes more money with a TA105 than with a TA85. What would you expect? If you don't like that, buy a Panda.
But why do I read so little about TA remaps here?
Ah, makes my point even better.
So the 85 Euro 5 head was different to the current Euro 6, ie with exhaust manifold built in to the head a la 105?
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Thanks Frupi but it's a long story that just got longer! I won't stray off topic on this thread and bore everyone with the details but will update the Oil for TA thread tomorrow.
As the OP, i take it nobody else has had theirs remapped...to add a further question, has anyone stepped up from an 85 TA up to a 105 TA and if so is their a noticable difference, or improvement?
Re the rear disc change, im guessing its not just as simple as adding discs, im guessing the whole rear axle is totally different, as on the axle in my car, there'd be nowhere to mount the brake calipers....just a thought
Re the rear disc change, im guessing its not just as simple as adding discs, im guessing the whole rear axle is totally different, as on the axle in my car, there'd be nowhere to mount the brake calipers....just a thought
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The 500 section isn't really populated with car enthusiasts, IMO. There are maybe 20 modified cars total on here. I'd get UFI remapped, but I don't trust anyone to do it, so tuning box it is.
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Yes, this was done to improve engine warm up time, which helps emissions in the NEDC 'Urban' test as this is done from cold. There appears to be no performance gain from the head itself (excluding the better flowing manifold).
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Agreed the 99g/km TA wasn't a London congestion special, but I wonder how many European countries have <100g as their lowest tax category?
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Don't forget the all important sport mode
I was really impressed by the 85bhp but after a ordering error I managed to get the 105 for same price so now I'm going for that
Agreed, absolutely. If I want a more powerful motor, I'll go out and buy it. I'm certainly not going to mess about with our own car, I personally cannot see the point of trying to make it do something which it didn't leave the factory expecting to do. Each to their own though. It just annoys me that people find the money to do the mods but don't want to tell their insurers what they've done, and yes, we all know there are plenty of those people out there. The argument raised that not all insurers charge for mods may well be true, but honestly, has the insurer been told in the first place? I know for a fact from people I know who regularly 'tinker', they don't tell.
It just makes me laugh when some people call engine mods a must have, or say that an engine makes the 500 what it always should have been. If there's anything the 500 needs it's better suspension and I'm not talking about dropping it on the floor. Tens of thousands of people happily drive their 1.2's around Britain every day without wanting for extra power, a bigger exhaust or dare I say it even noticing the crap suspension that their 500 came with as standard.
