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Re: Plastic coolant hose fitting broke off

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Yup, I know what you were trying to say though, why buy from a company that isn't well known?
Who? Mann? If you do mean Mann, they are very well known in the motor parts world. Same with brand names such as UFI, Coopers, Crossland, Fram, Purflux etc. All been around for a very long time. I started my working life as an diesel engineer and I've been using those particular product names for 30 years. When I'm cross referencing parts for any of my vehicles, I'll check across the whole spectrum. If I can clearly detect that a certain OEM part is supplied by a brand name I am familiar with, I will quite often buy the parts. Sometimes though, I find genuine marque branded parts cheaper than 'aftermarket' parts which are to all intents and purposes, the identical part. Most people though will never go to the lengths that some of us do because it is just easier to pop along to their local motor factors or let a garage/dealership supply the parts and do the work.
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Who? Mann? If you do mean Mann, they are very well known in the motor parts world. Same with brand names such as UFI, Coopers, Crossland, Fram, Purflux etc. All been around for a very long time. I started my working life as an diesel engineer and I've been using those particular product names for 30 years. When I'm cross referencing parts for any of my vehicles, I'll check across the whole spectrum. If I can clearly detect that a certain OEM part is supplied by a brand name I am familiar with, I will quite often buy the parts. Sometimes though, I find genuine marque branded parts cheaper than 'aftermarket' parts which are to all intents and purposes, the identical part. Most people though will never go to the lengths that some of us do because it is just easier to pop along to their local motor factors or let a garage/dealership supply the parts and do the work.


No, I mean the no name brands
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Thanks for the effort you have put in to draw attention to the problem you had.

Not that it makes much difference, but did you go for a genuine Fiat part in the end, or an aftermarket part? I only ask because I generally, for the most part, buy genuine marque parts, but I do have exceptions to this rule, especially when I know an aftermarket part has been produced to a standard exceeding the factory fit stuff.
I used the genuine Fiat part, mainly because it was in stock & they offered to fit it next day!
I must say, I am very impressed with the local dealership (Cheltenham). The photo I posted was taken by the Parts Manager & emailed it to me, they fitted it next day quoting the price in advance.
(Mind you they also managed to sell me 2 rear tyres, and the lovely salesman nearly persuaded me it was cheaper to buy a new 500!)
if I was doing it myself, I may have tried to track down a part with the metal nozzle: http://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=st...173&sku=183960.
The Parts Manager told me they sell "a few a year". So it would seem that the problem is not unknown, but not that common. I will watch this forum with interest!
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Oil filters for instance, and this has just cropped up in another thread, I haven't used an aftermarket oil filter in any car I've owned in the last 15 years because sometimes you just have no idea quite what you are going to get quality wise.
Well I haven't used a genuine filter for years & had no problems. I tend to choose recognised aftermarket brands though. I figure they have a name to keep. Where I don't compromise is on oil brands. I use leading brands (Castrol, Mobil etc rather than Halfords etc) and tend to change more often. The additives are all important, and I don't mind being a 'brand sucker' for the peace of mind.
And although I uses garages for most jobs, I always like to change the oil myself, just to make sure. Call me paranoid...!
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The Parts Manager told me they sell "a few a year". So it would seem that the problem is not unknown, but not that common. I will watch this forum with interest!
Apparently the thermostat is integrated into that housing and can't be bought separately, so I guess knackered thermostats would account for a fair few sales.
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Re: Plastic coolant hose fitting broke off

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Well I haven't used a genuine filter for years & had no problems. I tend to choose recognised aftermarket brands though........
And although I uses garages for most jobs, I always like to change the oil myself, just to make sure. Call me paranoid...!
I would hazard a guess, that using the dirt cheap aftermarket filters won't be such an issue on much older cars, but I believe folks should be careful what they use these days with modern cars whereby the engine manufacture tolerances are far more finite these days than perhaps they were 20, 30 years ago etc. Lots of cars these days seem also to need the requirement to have the oil change reset done and clearly this is the case with our own TA for instance.

Having spent almost 10k on a new car, I'm not about to start substituting the OEM filter for any other branded filter, certainly not under my ownership anyway.
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Apparently the thermostat is integrated into that housing and can't be bought separately, so I guess knackered thermostats would account for a fair few sales.
Yes, quite common these days. In fact, the Fiat designed engine in my Saab, also has a similar thermostat housing with the integrated thermostat that suposedly cannot be removed. I haven't had to replace that, but they're about 40 quid a piece.
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Re: Plastic coolant hose fitting broke off

My wife has a Ford StreetKA that has a thermostat housing made entirely from plastic and they are known to fail. Despite her car always having corrosion inhibiting antifreeze some gunk built up under the 'stat and this was enough to crack the plastic housing and cause a leak. I fitted a pattern part which failed in less than a year and replaced it with a genuine Ford one which seems to be okay.
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.........Despite her car always having corrosion inhibiting antifreeze some gunk built up under the 'stat and this was enough to crack the plastic housing and cause a leak......
Another good point worth noting, the failure by some owners to even have the coolant flushed/replaced in their vehicles. Coolant in modern motors usually has a working life of around 5 years. Some people however don't understand that coolant over time degrades and can become diluted, often with 'top ups' usually with water straight from the tap. Best time to have a full coolant flush and refill is during a cambelt/waterpump change, though many owners seemingly can't manage even that (one of my neighbours recently had to scrap his car because he refused to change the cambelt at the recommended mileage, it failed and wrecked the engine! )
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Re: Plastic coolant hose fitting broke off

Just wondering ...
did this fail and shear because the attached hose was unsupported or under strain?

Had a similar experience on a different make of (supposedly upmarket) car, and the failure was put down to vibration of the hose due to its unsupported length.
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Just wondering ...
did this fail and shear because the attached hose was unsupported or under strain?
The hose does not seem to be particularly well supported. As the hose goes from engine to bulkhead, I assume there must be quite a lot of relative movement.
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Re: Plastic coolant hose fitting broke off

Just out of curiosity how big a job is it to replace the housing? I will hopefully be doing my cambelt and water pump soon and if it's not that much of a job I might do this too.
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Just out of curiosity how big a job is it to replace the housing? I will hopefully be doing my cambelt and water pump soon and if it's not that much of a job I might do this too.
Sorry. I bottled out & used the Fiat dealer, so I don't know!
Was in a bit of a hurry to get it done (Wife using my car!)
They were selling the replacement housing for around 30.
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Just looked myself and it doesn't look a massive job
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I'd be sorely tempted to seek out a lathe & a piece of hex brass bar & repair the old housing.

I reckon a small engineering shop could knock out a batch of 50 or so for around a tenner apiece - now that would be a useful group buy.
Thread resurrection, but I'd very much advise against that. The plastic fitting on mine had cracked and someone at work noticed that it was piddling a little bit. Anyway, I've replaced mine with a new stat from S4P and as an aside I tested the new stat by warming it up under the hot tap and then pouring a kettle of water through it and it functioned as you'd expect it to, the old one is stuck permanently open just a crack and was letting water through even before it got warm.

Original stat was a Behr and the new one is a Facet.
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