Actually it was Fiat! Whether they are official designations or not they were the names used to distinguish the originals from the updated ones with the TFT dash. Mine falls in between i.e it has the 105hp TA with disc brakes all round but has neither the TFT nor the new seats. They were only available from the launch of the 105 TA in the middle of February until the new versions came into production on the 1st April.

Who from Fiat told you this?

The dealer - and no not a franchise but fiat owned. As I said before, whether or not they are official designations is unimportant. It was a way of distinguishing those without and those with the TFT and the few in between.

It is important because it starts to get wrongly used and misinformation flies about.

I can understand this, because there were some new 105s hitting the streets without the other updates in the new year, and then in April the new dash etc. arrived, also with the new 105 engine. The 105s at the beginning of the year were transitional.

Correct. Thanks.

Ulpian said:

I can understand this, because there were some new 105s hitting the streets without the other updates in the new year, and then in April the new dash etc. arrived, also with the new 105 engine. The 105s at the beginning of the year were transitional.

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No no no no no no NO!


The 500 specs have always worked like THIS


Interior bits of trim colour, choice of paint colours, equipment (air con, blue&me, seat upholstery, choice of interior plastic colour) is dictated by the spec level - Lounge, Sport, S, Street, Blackjack, Twinair spec level, pop, cult, byDiesel, byGucci, GQ, Colour Therapy, Pink etc etc.


Engine, gearbox, suspension, brakes are dictated by the engine spec - 1.2, 1.4, 75bhp mjet, 95bhp mjet, 85bhp TA, 105bhp TA.


Fiat also do MY updates as well, such as the MY10 update which gave all Fiat 500's the stiffer rear beam and S&S. The changes made by Fiat in April would probably be classed as a MY type update.


The problem with information supplied by an idiot like this dealer is that if it's regurgitated on a forum then people treat it as fact, I challenge you to walk into any other dealer and talk about a Mk3 Fiat 500, they'll look at you like your head is spinning on its neck, it's completely nonsense and meaningless to anyone else other than the person who made it up.








The 105hp Twinair has ALWAYS come with disc brakes at the rear, that is part of the spec that the 105bhp brings to the car.


A different Mk of a car is almost always accompanied by changes in panels, lights and so on and so forth.


Let's take the Punto for example.


Mk1 (someone will probably be able to tell me whether this is a series 1 or 2 Punto, I'm guessing a series 2 by the clear indicators and the fact that it's a later one)



Mk2



and Mk2b



If you want to confuse and misinform people then feel free to continue using incorrect terms made up by some mouthbreather at your dealer, if you wish to provide people with good information then please stop calling your car a Mk2 or Mk3 500 because it is neither of these............

Blimey!

All I was saying was that I understood that the introduction of the 105 engine, closely followed by an uprated dashboard, constitute significant changes. If dealers want to call them Mark 1,2,3 or even original, 105, new dashboard, or whatever they like, I don't really care.

We know that the 500 gets constant trim and minor engineering changes, but these are often impenetrable to the casual observer, and hard to fix in time. The introduction of the 105 was in February 2014, and the significant new dash came last month. Perhaps they are not formally given model designations by Fiat, but what seems to have happened is that dealers have given them their own designations for convenience sake only.

Seems reasonable to me.

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Blimey!

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Blimey what? Blimey! Someone knows what they're talking about and tries to give people correct and accurate information? Oh how horrid!


As I said, the problem with misinformation like this is that it ends up with confused people. Imagine the perceived level of poor service someone will get if they walk into a dealer and ask for a Mk2 105bhp TA and state that they don't want a Mk1, the dealer will either say that can't offer that, in which case the customer walks away thinking that the dealership are unhelpful, or they lie and say "oh yes, we don't have any Mk1's! Only Mk2's and Mk3's" which is a complete lie.

Ulpian said:

Blimey!

All I was saying was that I understood that the introduction of the 105 engine, closely followed by an uprated dashboard, constitute significant changes. If dealers want to call them Mark 1,2,3 or even original, 105, new dashboard, or whatever they like, I don't really care.

We know that the 500 gets constant trim and minor engineering changes, but these are often impenetrable to the casual observer, and hard to fix in time. The introduction of the 105 was in January 2014, and the significant new dash came last month. Perhaps they are not formally given model designations by Fiat, but what seems to have happened is that dealers have given them their own designations for convenience sake only.

Seems reasonable to me.

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The dash is merely an option which isn't even associated with the 105bhp TA. You can get it on a 1.2 lounge for instance.


All that's happened is that an option has been added, when the sat nav socket, rear beam, S&S, new Blue&Me and so on were added as parts of spec or as new options did we go up a new Mk every time? Why not call the post April 2014 cars Taco Volante's? That'll be really useful when someone goes into a dealer and says "Is this one a Taco Volante?" It's no different to mistakenly calling a 500 with the new instrument cluster a Mk3 except Taco Volante is silly.


Why not just admit that the dealer has done something wrong and be done with it? I

Blimey Mk2

So basically as before you have nothing intelligent to bring to the table

I have heard there is a job going at Fiat as Senior Vice President of Trivial Nonsense That Nobody Else Gives A **** About.
The ideal candidate should be opinionated and misinformed but belligerent enough to shout down all other opinions.

Misinformed? Show me a link to this mythical Mk3 500

Upshot is, you can accept the car as delivered or reject it. Although as the car has at least one 'extra' not paid for, it would be a bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face to reject it.

People...

How can so much be said about so little by so few for so long Ahhhh

Btw KellyMarie
The TFT is standard on the S spec.

Ok tell me this, should i just let people post stuff which is completely inaccurate and let other less knowledgeable people become confused?

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Ok tell me this, should i just let people post stuff which is completely inaccurate and let other less knowledgeable people become confused?

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No, you made your point (quite forcibly) and should have left it at that. The other posters were not going to agree with you so why waste your 'breath'. To get into an argument is pointless and doesn't achieve anything.

The 500 has had a minor facelift recently but nothing to warrant it being called a MK2 let alone a MK3. The seats in mine were different to the early 500's but that didn't constitute making it a new version. The salesman was wrong to say what he did but I can understand why he did it as it made it easier to explain the changes to customers.