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Technical Euro6 1.2 Throttle Response, Hill Start Issues & Watchdog report

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Technical Euro6 1.2 Throttle Response, Hill Start Issues & Watchdog report

Re: Euro6 1.2 Throttle Response & Hill Start Issues

Please stay on topic, folks - this thread is too important to dilute with discussions that belong elsewhere.
 
babyferrari said:
I had my first and last Fiat with my Grande and moved on and probably won't look back neither.
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Can't help wondering why you are still on the forum????[/QUOTE]


As you can see on my profile I have been a member on here from 2007. I also have an interest in cars.

I spent a lot of time fault solving with my car and completing various repairs to it. I know a lot of faults of the Grande, so I remain on here to help other people and give advice.

Plus, the forum for my car I own now is so quiet as most people post on forums due to problems and their is hardly any problems with car I own.
 
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brickfoot said:
Give them chance! They don't work 24 hours, and will likely have a deluge of emails to respond to now
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Aww, poor Fiat, my heart bleeds that they've got to work for their customers - I originally emailed them over a week ago, which you would know if you'd bothered to check my earlier posts. They followed it up with a generic 'please supply your VIN, registration number' etc even though I said it wasn't my car I was talking about.

I replied at the the start of the week, they didn't reply, so I sent the final email yesterday morning. I hardly think that's being impatient.

Sometimes I think its no wonder that long-term helpful members leave this forum, because when you genuinely try to get answers for other forum members (afterall I don't even own a 1.2 engine, as my signature shows) all you get is sarcastic comments and a take-take mentality from a couple of smart-arses.
 
To moderators: sometimes let the exchanges run, obstructing a robust conversation can be a real bore sometimes. Just like at a dinner party when a twee hostess shuffles uncomfortably and her wet husband carefully directs the guest to the exit.

The guests bitch on afterwards... :D
 
The key to giving useful knowledge is to listen first and then offer opinion. if you just dismiss what people say because you've made up your mind already, then the knowledge is not always useful because it doesn't apply.

When it is put in a forceful or patronising manner then it might also stop someone with more appropriate knowledge responding. Nothing wrong with a different opinion but just don't force people to accept it.
 
I am now within £600 of getting rid of the car.The dealership general manager is on Holiday until next week so when he gets back I expect I will be able get a mutual deal.
 
I hope that these posts can get back on to the main point of this thread. I came in for a lot of flak a few months ago and refrained from posting for a while. There is an issue with the 1.2 Euro 6 engine. I don't think the car featured on Watchdog was driven particularly well, but if you have to perform a hill start with the clutch recognition dumping some of the power along with the gutless engine it is difficult get going. This is unacceptable for a car in this day and age. As Watchdog did, I put my car over a rolling road to get definite information, and this was after the first time the car had been back to the dealership for checking and 'updating'. As I have pointed out before, our 2014 1.2 Panda's engine has far below the acceptable amount of torque needed for normal driving (hill starts, heavy traffic etc) also the throttle response is erratic an gets worse when the engine is hot.
I have now put my money where my mouth is and have bought another car. It has no clutch recognition, is 200 Kg heavier, has a smaller engine and goes very well. I have the redundant Fiat in the garage, the dealership won't take it back I won't sell it on to some unsuspecting individual.
I don't intend to post any more on this subject, I have said all I can. I will never convince those who are determined to believe there is nothing wrong and that I don't know what I am talking about. After 50 years of driving, maintaining and restoring cars I think I do understand the mechanical principles involved.
 
David Bliss said:
I hope that these posts can get back on to the main point of this thread. I came in for a lot of flak a few months ago and refrained from posting for a while. There is an issue with the 1.2 Euro 6 engine. I don't think the car featured on Watchdog was driven particularly well, but if you have to perform a hill start with the clutch recognition dumping some of the power along with the gutless engine it is difficult get going. This is unacceptable for a car in this day and age. As Watchdog did, I put my car over a rolling road to get definite information, and this was after the first time the car had been back to the dealership for checking and 'updating'. As I have pointed out before, our 2014 1.2 Panda's engine has far below the acceptable amount of torque needed for normal driving (hill starts, heavy traffic etc) also the throttle response is erratic an gets worse when the engine is hot.
I have now put my money where my mouth is and have bought another car. It has no clutch recognition, is 200 Kg heavier, has a smaller engine and goes very well. I have the redundant Fiat in the garage, the dealership won't take it back I won't sell it on to some unsuspecting individual.
I don't intend to post any more on this subject, I have said all I can. I will never convince those who are determined to believe there is nothing wrong and that I don't know what I am talking about. After 50 years of driving, maintaining and restoring cars I think I do understand the mechanical principles involved.
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Have you thought of getting it remapped as a euro 5 vehicle. May be worth the money to be able to sell it with a happy heart.
 
If a Euro6 2014 car was re-mapped/reverted to Euro5, it wouldn't pass the emissions test in the MOT.

The max emissions allowed are dependent on the year of the car.

Cheers,
Mick.
 
Mick F said:
If a Euro6 2014 car was re-mapped/reverted to Euro5, it wouldn't pass the emissions test in the MOT.

The max emissions allowed are dependent on the year of the car.

Cheers,
Mick.
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Ah OK, although I had a Hyundai coupe V6 that would have passed euro 6 emission test but I still had to pay £470 VEL
 
Yes, that's what I was thinking about when I asked if other manufacturers had older engines updated to Euro6. I must say I was thinking about the Ford Ka, also perhaps Peugeot have used the old 106/205 engine latterly?

Maybe there are others?

Good question, I reckon.

Thanks guys,
Mick
 
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