re: Euro6 1.2 Throttle Response & Hill Start Issues
They don't have the same engine though.......
They don't have the same engine though.......
My 500 is nothing like it was at 4000 miles. I'm sorry but I've driven about 56,000 miles more than you in my 500 and never found it to be an issue.
When did you become a moderator?!?!?!?!?I wonder if the current production cars have the same mapping though?
When did you become a moderator?!?!?!?!?
Obviously this is possible, but imho this mirrors the difference between my 500 and Panda.
Everyone's idea of flats spot is different though, plus if it's only done 4k miles......I notice exactly the same difference between my 500 and Panda; the Panda is in consequence slightly more comfortable to drive in town - but I've never noticed a definite flat spot in the 500's acceleration profile.
Hi guys I can't see why you think the hamster is alive while he lies dead on his back in his cage, but the wheel is still going round.
Gearing:- look at the test. Going by feel the new car feels lower geared although it is on larger (14') tyres. At 5130 rpm the old version was doing 101 mph, at 6303 rpm (over 1000 revs more) the new one was only 5mph quicker,
As for being run in, if there is no spark of Fire its no good throwing petrol on it. Fiat have doused the flames on the engine, unless you break the speed limit the old'uns will always be in front (or, even more annoyingly, you will be holding them up).
If it's a 2009 Panda won't it have the Euro V/500 type1.2 Maxi? I can't remember when the 1.2 in the Panda swapped to the 500 type- I thought it was with the intro of the Eco models?
Eco models were still 60bhp variants - IIRC lower rolling resistance tyres and thinner oil were the eco tweaks. Also the posted rolling road results show a 10ish BHP difference between the 2009 and 2014 cars so would correlate with the 2009 model still having the older 1.2 lump.
As far as I can gather the Panda got the 69BHP engine sometime between September and December 2010.
The torque curve is interesting though and demonstrates why I found my 1.2 EuroIV Panda more driveable from low revs than my 1.2 EuroV 500.
Eco models were still 60bhp variants - IIRC lower rolling resistance tyres and thinner oil were the eco tweaks. Also the posted rolling road results show a 10ish BHP difference between the 2009 and 2014 cars so would correlate with the 2009 model still having the older 1.2 lump.
As far as I can gather the Panda got the 69BHP engine sometime between September and December 2010.
The torque curve is interesting though and demonstrates why I found my 1.2 EuroIV Panda more driveable from low revs than my 1.2 EuroV 500.
I concur, I feel exactly the same with my Panda although the difference isn't the same with it being a 4x4. I also remember the change happening in 2010 so the dyno test isn't a fair one.
I stand corrected
For those of you in the know, have Fiat reworked the Euro V 1.2 for the new panda/newer 500s if Auditt is having the same issues (I guess not if it's still 69hp as per website?)- the brochure I've got here for the 500 is listing peak torque at 3000. I'm still suspicious that it's some Euro VI tomfoolery going on early.