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re: Euro6 1.2 Throttle Response & Hill Start Issues

I had my 500 for 500 miles now and it had the same fault. Looked over it this weekend and found the inlet manifold to be missing a stud. Fitted a new one and all seems good.

Bottom stud on nearside of manifold.
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Did you have any luck with dealer,as ours is still not right.
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I had my 500 for 500 miles now and it had the same fault. Looked over it this weekend and found the inlet manifold to be missing a stud. Fitted a new one and all seems good.

Bottom stud on nearside of manifold.
Just had a look and there appears to be one missing near to the battery,was this the same as yours?
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Yeah Sounds like your is in the same area. Manifold comes down to point, its the stud there that was missing on mine. Had my other half roadtest to check how she got on and it seems to be fixed, might take it back to the dealer to get them to replace the gasket, but if its ok I might just leave it..
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Must be from the same batch of engines,I will book it in dealer next week.Thanks for info.
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No problem. Hope it fixes it. If its the same throttle response issue that I've been having for 2 weeks I don't know how you lasted with the car since December. I was beginning to dread pulling away on a slight incline.
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We dont do much stop start driving and very few hill starts but its been a pain on roundabouts.It has got to be fixed this time.I have spoken to the dealer and e-mailed Fiat.It is going in next week.
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I have been having the same sort of problem with my new Panda Easy. you can see my posts regarding this on the forum under 'New Yesterday' in the Panda section. I have now done just over 1000 miles in it, it is very easy to stall, very slow to pick up in the 1000 to 2500 rev range, occasionally when picking up there are two surges of power. City driving is a real pain, other vehicles have left us behind before it will pick up. Getting onto roundabouts and pulling out of junctions is a bit like Russian roulette. On hill starts, when you can get the car to pull away the engine is very flat.

Some other Pandas seem to be having the same problem, it has been back to the dealer a couple of times, the ECU software has been updated, with no apparent improvement. We contacted Customer Services and I have be told over the phone that this is a known problem and they are trying to develop a software fix. I have asked them to put this in writing. They said that anyone experiencing a problem should go to their dealer and make sure that it has been logged with Fiat. My daughter now has my old Panda which has always run extremely well, uses less petrol and is like a racing car compared to our new one. It would be great if it turned out to be a simple problem such as you have had, but I would have thought that if the engine was sucking air there would be other problems as well.

Could you add a post to my thread please?

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I have been having the same sort of problem with my new Panda Easy. you can see my posts regarding this on the forum under 'New Yesterday' in the Panda section. I have now done just over 1000 miles in it, it is very easy to stall, very slow to pick up in the 1000 to 2500 rev range, occasionally when picking up there are two surges of power. City driving is a real pain, other vehicles have left us behind before it will pick up. Getting onto roundabouts and pulling out of junctions is a bit like Russian roulette. On hill starts, when you can get the car to pull away the engine is very flat.

Some other Pandas seem to be having the same problem, it has been back to the dealer a couple of times, the ECU software has been updated, with no apparent improvement. We contacted Customer Services and I have be told over the phone that this is a known problem and they are trying to develop a software fix. I have asked them to put this in writing. They said that anyone experiencing a problem should go to their dealer and make sure that it has been logged with Fiat. My daughter now has my old Panda which has always run extremely well, uses less petrol and is like a racing car compared to our new one. It would be great if it turned out to be a simple problem such as you have had, but I would have thought that if the engine was sucking air there would be other problems as well.

Could you add a post to my thread please?

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Itís the heavier body, the electronic throttle, longer gearing and torque that is higher up in the rev band which has killed it. The relentless crusade on emissions is to blame here! The old panda's engine is much more responsive, eager, more economical and quicker in the real world.

The software update on my new panda helped but itís still nowhere near like the old one in terms of driveability and thatís coming from an old 2004 panda with 115k on the clock, to a new 2012 one with 30k. Iím glad I still have my old one!
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I have had look at the manifold on my Panda. There is a hole in the top nearside of the manifold. It is larger than the studs and there is a spot of green paint near it on the plastic.

I do not have any idling problems with my car. It is low-down torque and throttle response that my engine is lacking in, especially if you have stopped and the engine has been allowed to idle for a few seconds. It is very easy to stall this car. Although I have become more accustomed to managing the inadequacies of the vehicle, once in a while it can really put you in a dangerous position. Pulling onto a busy roundabout in fast moving traffic is bad. Hill starts have to be a 'snatch and go' with your foot flat down, which is very bad for clutch longevity.

Someone mentioned that the weight of the car had increased, but this would not cause this sort of problem. I agree with the comment that it is the drive to reduce emissions that underlies it. I would prefer to pay extra road tax to get the performance and more miles to the gallon back!

Having said all that I do appreciate the better handling of the car, compared to my last Panda. It has gone back to the sportier feel that I used to associate with the Fiat cars of many years ago.

We need to bombard Fiat with our complaints to push them into sorting the issue out quickly, I don't want a car that has the performance of a Trevant!

I am going to post this on the Panda section as well.

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PS: If anybody is really interested, I have already been in touch with a performance testing firm and could put both my new Panda and the 09 one that my daughter now has on their rolling road to get an accurate comparison.
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PS: If anybody is really interested, I have already been in touch with a performance testing firm and could put both my new Panda and the 09 one that my daughter now has on their rolling road to get an accurate comparison.
Will be very interesting to see the comparison results!
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Took it in today but they could not find any faults and they reckon there is no stud missing on manifold.It was ironic that it ran OK today.It maybe thats how the 1.2runs with current ECU settings.Maybe Fiat will do an update soon.
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Our Panda is booked in for the third time. Fiat Customer Services have asked for the ECU data to be read and sent back to Fiat for analysis(?). Again they have said over the phone that they are working to produce a fix, but have not responded to my request to put this in writing!

I have decided to put both the new Panda and my daughters 09 Panda on a rolling road to get readouts comparing the performances.
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The car went into the Dealer yesterday for a complete analysis. The comment on the sheet I was given was 'Vehicle driving will differ to the previous Panda due to the new emission limits on this vehicle'.

Fiat Customer services say on the phone that they know of the problem and are working to find a fix. In writing they don't acknowledge that the difference in driving response is a problem at all!

I am putting both cars on the rolling road to get my own figures, and will continue to complain that is a safety issue not just a nuisance.

Just got interrupted by a phone call from Customer Services. They are now saying they can't do anything and that I will just have to take the car back to the dealer and say I am not satisfied. When I asked about the performance of the sports version they just said that it had higher emissions, and so it goes better. I did point out that even if the car has lower emissions its petrol consumption is poorer that the older version!
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