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I've battled on with my 500 since April, but I've decided that the sun is going down on it :eek:

In hindsight I probably should have bought a white 1.2 Dualogic Lounge, if only such a rare specification had been available in NZ (only the 1.4 and the MultiJet diesel are sold here; can't get the TwinAir). You'll probably remember that I didn't really like my 500 from the start. The plain-Jane appearance (most of the chrome missing and not even real leather inside) meant that it seemed a cheap and cheerful car, except that it wasn't cheap, and any trip longer than half an hour was so fatiguing, I'd have to stop for a while until the bright spots stopped spinning and feeling returned in my legs and arms :bang:

I think most of the 500's appeal is lost on me, because I didn't have any interest in the original 500. Unfortunately I'm not the only one :eek: Within a 100km radius of here, I've only ever seen one other 500 this year, so it's basically an unknown car. People don't recognise it as a FIAT but instead as a Nissan Micra. I'm sure Micras are good cars but it irritates me that they're considered equal. For me it eliminates any style advantage that the 500 might have had, though people are simple and perhaps if it had more shiny bits or the cloth roof, that might register as a difference. Very few people drive new cars in NZ - 82% of new registrations are used imports. For every one 500 sold, there are probably 1000 Micras brought in 2nd-hand from Japan at 1/3rd of the price. It's a losing battle ;)

The 500 has been good for short trips in town, though at up to 87dB it is ridiculously loud. My noise reduction efforts (lots of added materials) weren't a success. I made it quieter on smooth surfaces but somehow even noisier on the coarse chip surface common around here (often loose stones too, which the front wheels spray against the sills - stone chips are appearing all the way along). I suppose it has been years of roadworks in Hamilton, with new main roads both sides of town and one right past where I happen to live, extending about 10km to the north.

The 500 feels like a solid car, well made (the plastics don't squeak or rattle) and it's reliable, not a single false warning with the only repair being for three leaky air conditioning hoses. Good body rigidity, and the Dualogic transmission is a delight to use. It's my favourite part of the car, and I will miss its snick-snick gear change with exemplary clutch control.

Anyway, I'm very excited about the Stilo Abarth I've bought to replace my 500. I reckon it looks better than a Golf, more Audi than VW. I love the way that it doesn't need any shiny bits to stand out, and isn't trying to capitalise on past glories. "Forward thinking", as FIAT's slogan said. The Stilo seems unpopular with anyone who knows about them, but at least it doesn't seem to be confused with any other car, and I love how it drives. I think it rides even softer than a 166. Has all the modern electronics missing from the 500 (rain-sensing wipers, parking sensors, windows that go down with the key, that sort of thing).

I put a bit more effort into my post in the Stilo section: https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/313530-im-back.html

I might well try another 500 in a few years when they're a quarter of the price - I expect values will drop fast in NZ due to the recognition problem - but second time around, I'll be careful to get a more 'retro' version that plays to the original 500's appeal (y)

-Alex
 

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...In hindsight I probably should have bought a white 1.2 Dualogic Lounge...

The nearest I got to a Stilo was when I was looking for a replacement to the Marea and in the end decided to stick with the 'devil I knew best'. Know very little about the Abarth model but from a guy on the A500 side who did a European tour in a Fiat Coupe he was very impressed with the 5 cylinder engine and it was much cheaper to run overall than the turbo charged Fiat Coupe model that he replaced it with. He averaged around 30mpg which I thought was pretty good. You're returning to 'old school' with cc and looking at the EVO reviews it sounds like it might suit you. At least you can be thankfull that in NZ they haven't taxed engines like that as they have here which is a 'snip' at c.€1,500 p.a.

Best of luck AlexGS with the new motor. Hope you get a good price on your 500 and sorry it did not live up to expectations.
 
I suspect I'll be sticking around like loveshandbags :)
It seems a bit quiet in the Stilo section - or at least, different people! ;)

I'd miss you too :p

-Alex

Maxi technically is in the same camp with his Panda 4x4 !

At least I have the A500 esseesse engine in the 155TB. :)

You'll have the name though and it is a genuine Fiat.(y)
 
At the risk of harping on an old theme - I've had every model of 500 except the present one - Topolino A, Topolino C, Nuova 500D, Nuova 500 F, Cinquecento Sporting - and, apart from a few rather weak styling gimmicks, I can't see why anyone would relate the existing model to its nominal predecessors. However, it's a pity that the 500 hasn't delivered for you.
 
Interesting stuff Alex. Obviously mostly subjective and so I wouldn't criticise you, but one thing I might disagree with, depending how you meant it, is your comment that "I think most of the 500's appeal is lost on me, because I didn't have any interest in the original 500". If you meant to suggest that most peiople who buy a 500 are drawn to it because of an interest in the original car, I would very much disagree.

People are undoubtedly drawn to the car because they like the retro styling, which has the original car to thank for that, but I doubt that more than 1% of owners have anything more than a passing memory of the original - in fact, plenty probably were born after it had ended production and have never seen one.

Of course, your comment may have been more a personal one just about you, in which case ignore me. In fact, feel free to ignore me anyway.
 
Good luck with the Stilo. I had The Schumacher Prodrive version for a couple of years. Great car, but got rid when road tax got silly and just before values plummeted. My 500 ownership was very short, and I honestly thought the Panda was a better car. However I still look at them affectionately and maybe one day I'll have another go.
 
Hi Alex

Sorry to hear your 500 experience was not what you were expecting,

Please bear with me and don't think I am having a go, but I spat my coffee across my desk when I read what you are replacing it with.

Having owned the loathsome devil car otherwise know as the Stilo Abarth, All I can say is ---Are you sure....!!!!

A Bland BMW Wannabee with some of the dodgiest electrics on the planet, the damn things light up like a Christmas tree at the slightest fault and there seem to be plenty of those faults to go around,

Not sure what spares are like for them in NZ but I would be looking for a good source.

Please take it the way it was intended not to knock your decision, but if you are looking for quality and reliability they are not words I would associate with a Stilo Abarth.
 
Interesting stuff Alex. Obviously mostly subjective and so I wouldn't criticise you, but one thing I might disagree with, depending how you meant it, is your comment that "I think most of the 500's appeal is lost on me, because I didn't have any interest in the original 500". If you meant to suggest that most peiople who buy a 500 are drawn to it because of an interest in the original car, I would very much disagree.

People are undoubtedly drawn to the car because they like the retro styling, which has the original car to thank for that, but I doubt that more than 1% of owners have anything more than a passing memory of the original - in fact, plenty probably were born after it had ended production and have never seen one.

Of course, your comment may have been more a personal one just about you, in which case ignore me. In fact, feel free to ignore me anyway.

I would fall into that 1% category (& I would be one of many on the forum). The reason that I bought a 500 was because I never had the original 500. When I looked at buying an original 500 when you compared the price of it with a 'trouble free' new one - a new one seemed cheap in comparison. That said I can see why AlexGS is selling his since the other 3 cars together are probably worth less than half the value of the 'economical runabout'.:devil: Can't help thinking that if a A500 or an economical 1.2 was bought it might have been a different story.

Having owned the loathsome devil car otherwise know as the Stilo Abarth, All I can say is ---Are you sure....!!!!

One look at AlexGS's collection would indicate that an addition of a Stilo Abarth wouldn't 'trouble' him. That said the troubles of a Bravo still haunt my brother-in-law who can't understand how I've had little or no trouble with the Marea. And I thought that the Stilo was a more modern version of a Marea.:confused:
 
You're returning to 'old school' with cc and looking at the EVO reviews it sounds like it might suit you. At least you can be thankfull that in NZ they haven't taxed engines like that as they have here which is a 'snip' at c.€1,500 p.a.

That's very true. It is different driving in NZ to Europe and there aren't the same incentives for small cars. Although our fuel is expensive, it's not too much of an issue for me as I don't really do that many kilometres - not commuting to work helps.

Best of luck AlexGS with the new motor. Hope you get a good price on your 500 and sorry it did not live up to expectations.

Thanks - but you shouldn't feel the need to apologise! :eek: :)
 
At the risk of harping on an old theme - I've had every model of 500 except the present one - Topolino A, Topolino C, Nuova 500D, Nuova 500 F, Cinquecento Sporting - and, apart from a few rather weak styling gimmicks, I can't see why anyone would relate the existing model to its nominal predecessors. However, it's a pity that the 500 hasn't delivered for you.

I was really referring to the styling - seems quite a strong draw card to me IF the body-coloured dash, the rounded shapes, and the 'cute' short front end are meaningful - I think they're lost on most people here. As for the driving experience, well, I suppose I still prioritise some characteristics that the 500 simply wasn't designed to give. In Italy they have the Lancia Ypsilon which would probably have been more my thing :)
 
Interesting stuff Alex. Obviously mostly subjective and so I wouldn't criticise you, but one thing I might disagree with, depending how you meant it, is your comment that "I think most of the 500's appeal is lost on me, because I didn't have any interest in the original 500". If you meant to suggest that most peiople who buy a 500 are drawn to it because of an interest in the original car, I would very much disagree.

Ah yes, I see what you mean - I was really meaning "an interest in the style of the original 500", which meant an appreciation of minimalism and flair as well as recognition of the shape.

People are undoubtedly drawn to the car because they like the retro styling, which has the original car to thank for that, but I doubt that more than 1% of owners have anything more than a passing memory of the original - in fact, plenty probably were born after it had ended production and have never seen one.

Yes, exactly. The sort of people that remember the 500 in NZ tended to be students in the 70s, arty people, not really my type :) As far as new 500 owners go - well, there are very few (only ever seen one around here) but the ones I have met tend to be professional women in their 40s. Probably a completely different demographic to the average owner in the UK. Remember that few new cars are sold in NZ; 83% of new registrations are used imports, and those are the cars most people looking for a small car will choose.

Of course, your comment may have been more a personal one just about you, in which case ignore me. In fact, feel free to ignore me anyway.

Not at all, I think you made a valid and interesting point about how the 500 has a wider appeal in England where it competes against other new cars, not against used imports.
 
Good luck with the Stilo. I had The Schumacher Prodrive version for a couple of years. Great car, but got rid when road tax got silly and just before values plummeted. My 500 ownership was very short, and I honestly thought the Panda was a better car. However I still look at them affectionately and maybe one day I'll have another go.

Ditto here, really :)

Meanwhile I notice the graphic at the top of the forum has just changed.
Can't help thinking it could have been a Coupe and a 124 Coupe to continue the previous theme, but fun to see a yellow Punto Sporting anyway :)
 
Hi Alex

Sorry to hear your 500 experience was not what you were expecting,

Again I feel touched that you feel the need to apologise, it was entirely my own doing :eek:

Please bear with me and don't think I am having a go, but I spat my coffee across my desk when I read what you are replacing it with.

It's OK, I've been kept awake at night wondering the same thing, you're not 'having a go'...

Having owned the loathsome devil car otherwise know as the Stilo Abarth, All I can say is ---Are you sure....!!!!

A Bland BMW Wannabee with some of the dodgiest electrics on the planet, the damn things light up like a Christmas tree at the slightest fault and there seem to be plenty of those faults to go around,

One thing I've learned about Italian cars is that some individual cars turn out to be lemons (I've had one, a 166) and some turn out to be brilliant (my 156). I'm not denying that the Stilo might well be the most lemon-prone model. :eek:

Not sure what spares are like for them in NZ but I would be looking for a good source.

I thought the situation would be good by now, but turns out I've been mistaken - several items like clutches and variators turn out to be nearly impossible :bang: on the bright side, things like interior trim are plentiful in tidy, scrapped examples.

Please take it the way it was intended not to knock your decision, but if you are looking for quality and reliability they are not words I would associate with a Stilo Abarth.

I do agree and I'm treating this as a project car, rather than one to get in, twist the key, and go. I think I've picked a good one and it will be a satisfying project, without too many hurdles.

Quality is best defined as 'meeting customer expectations'. That might not have happened when the Stilo was new, but now it's perfectly possible that it will meet my expectations. We'll see. As for reliability, well, I think that relates to nipping problems in the bud before they immobilise the car. Again, we'll see...
 
I would fall into that 1% category (& I would be one of many on the forum). The reason that I bought a 500 was because I never had the original 500. When I looked at buying an original 500 when you compared the price of it with a 'trouble free' new one - a new one seemed cheap in comparison. That said I can see why AlexGS is selling his since the other 3 cars together are probably worth less than half the value of the 'economical runabout'.:devil: Can't help thinking that if a A500 or an economical 1.2 was bought it might have been a different story.

One look at AlexGS's collection would indicate that an addition of a Stilo Abarth wouldn't 'trouble' him. That said the troubles of a Bravo still haunt my brother-in-law who can't understand how I've had little or no trouble with the Marea. And I thought that the Stilo was a more modern version of a Marea.:confused:

I really liked this post (y)

I think it's absolutely true that things may have turned out very differently if I had bought, say, the three-year-old 1.2 Pop that I test drove and liked, which eventually sold on auction for about half the price I paid for my 500. Or, if I'd shelled out double and bought an Abarth, it might well have stood out as being Alex's Amazing Little Car which I couldn't possibly part with. (I think I would have felt more affection for the bargain-priced Pop, though...)

I didn't spell out my whole past collection since the year 2000, which reads:
128 Coupe
126
Uno 60
Tipo DGT
Croma 2.0
Uno Turbo
Thema V6
Uno 45
164 V6
Bertone X1/9
Stilo Abarth
Uno 60
FIAT X1/9
Uno 45 (again)
Punto Sporting
166 V6
164 V6
156 Selespeed
164 V6
164 V6 (yes I had three at once)
Spider TS
166 V6
Another Spider TS
500 Sport
Current 166 V6

and now, Stilo Abarth again. The first expensive car I'd bought...

Compared to some of the cars, I'm sure the Stilo will be quite sensible. I hope. My first was no trouble at all, perfectly reliable and I liked driving it. Didn't think it was quite as 'nice' as an old 164, but they are too old now, and the 166 is too complicated while slightly missing the mark of what a luxurious performance car should be.
 
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I really liked this post (y)

I think it's absolutely true that things may have turned out very differently if I had bought, say, the three-year-old 1.2 Pop that I test drove and liked, which eventually sold on auction for about half the price I paid for my 500. Or, if I'd shelled out double and bought an Abarth, it might well have stood out as being Alex's Amazing Little Car which I couldn't possibly part with. (I think I would have felt more affection for the bargain-priced Pop, though...)

I didn't spell out my whole past collection, which reads:
128 Coupe
126
Uno 60
Tipo DGT
Croma 2.0
Uno Turbo
Thema V6
Uno 45
164 V6
Bertone X1/9
Stilo Abarth
Uno 60
Punto Sporting
166 V6
164 V6
156 Selespeed
164 V6
164 V6 (yes I had three at once)
Spider TS
166 V6
Another Spider TS
500 Sport
Current 166 V6

and now, Stilo Abarth again. The first expensive car I'd bought...

Compared to some of the cars, I'm sure the Stilo will be quite sensible. I hope. My first was no trouble at all, perfectly reliable and I liked driving it. Didn't think it was quite as 'nice' as an old 164, but they are too old now, and the 166 is too complicated while slightly missing the mark of what a luxurious performance car should be.
Christ almighty you're insane! No doubt about it at all :p
 
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