what are the latest economy figures you achieved so far? also i wonder what does instant consumption show on the insturment panel while crusing smoothly at 50-55 mph? i can go as low as 59 mpg with my 1.4 on a perfectly leveled road, i hope it's better than that since i'm about to order one.
Technical a question for twinair owners
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In Autocar (Feb 2011) on the road test results the figures given for mpg test/touring on the 1.4 36/43 (sep. '07) and on the TA is 35/39 (Nov '10) and on the other models the Abarth 27/36 and the 500c 1.2 38/48
Those figures seem quite real for comparison.
I haven't got the figures for the 1.4 Euro 5 s/s but with emissions at 135 grs/km it would be hard to compete with the TA on the sub 100 gr/km re import duties, etc.
There are plenty of threads on the TA and the economy figures that people are getting. But judging by the revamp of the models on a recent thread, the TA no longer appears to be marketed as an economy model - but don't let that put you off ordering one
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I am getting a real world high 40s almost 50mpg per tankfull, and generally its getting better with each fill.
I live on the edge of town and travel in the country so lots of hills, both up and down and most of my commutes are on national speed limit roads.
On the flat at indicated 60mph in fifth, I am getting around 70mpg on the instantaneous read out, but roads are rarely flat around here.
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I live on the edge of town and travel in the country so lots of hills, both up and down and most of my commutes are on national speed limit roads.
On the flat at indicated 60mph in fifth, I am getting around 70mpg on the instantaneous read out, but roads are rarely flat around here.
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i don't know how they get that kind of results. they always achieve numbers below factory values whereas i almost always do better with every car i test or own, so i don't really trust them (btw dealers started to take orders but twinair didn't really arrive yet, so that's the reason why couldn't test it) anyways, these are for 60-70 mph driving i presume. my car barely does over 40 mpg driving uphill. in my daily commute i don't really get the chance to go over 50 mph and there's huge difference by means of consumption between 50 and 70 mph driving. also it looks like twinair isn't meant to be pushed hard so it might be just what i need.
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It re-affirms my idea that getting a TA to replace my Alfa 156 V6 is a good idea - somewhat cheaper to run!
I hope to be placing my order in the next couple of weeks..
I hope to be placing my order in the next couple of weeks..
Swapping an Arese V6 for a 2 cylinder engine? Someone get this person a straightjacket!
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Swapping an Arese V6 for a 2 cylinder engine? Someone get this person a straightjacket!
Lol, nurse!
Seriously - I think I'll record the exhaust note and play it to myself every day just to remind myself of how nice that engine is
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Lol, nurse!
Seriously - I think I'll record the exhaust note and play it to myself every day just to remind myself of how nice that engine is
Welcome to the forum bgunn.
Courtesy of Jason I'm posting a link to a Youtube of that awesome V6 of your current Alfa.
You'll be very pleased with a TA. The best of luck with your order. You'll notice quite a few TA owners have had a varying mix of cars
https://www.fiatforum.com/500/267967-what-car-did-you-sell-buy-your-500-why-8.html
- so far no Alfa V6 owners that I can see.
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With just under 2000 miles on the clock, I'm getting 50-54 mpg on my run to work, taking it fairly easy. It doesn't seem to matter whether I engage ECO or not. However, ECO selected around town makes the engine pull more smoothly at low revs - it's more comfortable at 30 in 4th and 40 in 5th. Incidentally, even driven pretty hard I've not dropped below 42 mpg.
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Thanks for the welcome - I sure hope I like it as much as I've enjoyed the Alfa. All of this 'Italian cars are rubbish' that you get from the un-educated majority is complete hogwash, and I've never been happier with a car than the 156.
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Hi there.
The already light steering gets even lighter!
Last time I looked we were getting in the mid to high 40s to the gallon.
As has been said many times by many people the TwinAir (TA) can be economical but it is difficult to achieve.
I did 64mpg (up to 69mpg at one point) on a twenty mile late night run but it was boring and I wouldn't repeat it with other cars around.
It is a fun car though and should be enjoyable to anyone no matter what else they drive or have driven.
Just filled up this evening, 48.9mpg on the last tankful of mixed driving.
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To add to TwinAir Newbie's explanation the mapping is also altered where the torque is decreased (unlike the 1.4 when pressing the Sport button has no impact on the mapping). The Eco button is the reverse of the button on the Abarth.
Not having a TA myself (I have only had 2 test drives in them - one at full belt) but I would agree with the mpg given by TwinAir Newbie or rallycinq whom no doubt are more experienced at driving TAs than a one day test drive - Steve Cropley from Autocar explains some of the figures in his 'a week in cars Fiat temptation' ...
Spent the weekend getting the measure of Fiat’s 500 TwinAir, not least because I’ve been wondering if there’s a case for replacing our two-tear-old 500 Lounge diesel (owned and much loved by The Steering committee ) with the new 900c turbo twin. I love the notion of a two cylinder modern 500, but when we tested the car we were disappointed with its economy; it averaged high 30s when we were expecting 30 per cent more.
This weekend I drove there 60 mile expeditions to reach my own conclusions. The first, driven carefully for economy, returned 53.2mpg. The second, in which I drove more normally (although I’d learned more about how the engine operates) yielded 47.9mpg. The third, during which I made liberal use of the gears and the third 6000rpm redline, returned 34.4 mpg.
My conclusion is that the indifferent economy figures the TwinAir car can deliver are entirely Fiat’s own fault. If it had not made the new engine such a seductive, smooth-but-gruff thing, whose willingness brings back echoes of Alfasud, drivers wouldn’t be induced to give it the beans all the time. As it is, they can miss the fact that it’s amazingly torquey from below 2000rpm, and will pull fifth smoothly at staggeringly low revs – for equally staggering economy. My view: the claimed frugality is there if you look for it, but the engine’s willingness is just too much of a temptation.
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I picked up my TA last thursday, have only done 150 miles but my economy isn't great. I get 37 in STD mode and only 40 in Eco mode. In my 1.2 the best I got was 42 and the worst was 35.5. If the TA matches that or betters it then I'll be happy but I doubt I'll get much above to be honest.
Is everyone that's getting high 40's to mid 50's driving in Eco mode all the time?
I find Eco mode fine, it pulls a lot better than the 1.2 and feels much quicker.
2 probs so far, juddering wipers and flashing mileage. Oh and the interscope in this car isn't as good as the other one I had.
Is everyone that's getting high 40's to mid 50's driving in Eco mode all the time?
I find Eco mode fine, it pulls a lot better than the 1.2 and feels much quicker.
2 probs so far, juddering wipers and flashing mileage. Oh and the interscope in this car isn't as good as the other one I had.
i guess they're too busy developing new engines that they can't be bothered with simple problems. mine is going in this thursday for flashing mileage, B&M head unit will be changed for the second time in one year. nonetheless i hope it'll be the new one that supports iphone/ipod without an adaptor.
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On the Abarth section there's something interesting about the 'new' TMC chip
https://www.fiatforum.com/abarth-500/270377-brooklands-2.html
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Might be appropriate for some with a TA to post the 'question' - does the TMC work on the MultiAir TA
For those who have TMCd their A500 they have found that their fuel consumption improved (once you don't exploit the extra power).
Now I'm not for a moment suggesting that anyone chip their new TA.
https://www.fiatforum.com/abarth-500/270377-brooklands-2.html
Post #27
Might be appropriate for some with a TA to post the 'question' - does the TMC work on the MultiAir TA
For those who have TMCd their A500 they have found that their fuel consumption improved (once you don't exploit the extra power).
Now I'm not for a moment suggesting that anyone chip their new TA.
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Here's the last sentence from Steve Cropley's review- My view: the claimed frugality is there if you look for it, but the engine’s willingness is just too much of a temptation.
I did make the same point a while ago, but not so eloquently. That's why he does what he does and I do what I do!
I did make the same point a while ago, but not so eloquently. That's why he does what he does and I do what I do!
Having test driven a Twinair I suspect that part of the problem with higher-than-expected fuel consumption isn't just that it encourages you to rev it for kicks but that the engine always sounds like it's doing fewer revs than it actually is. So unless you keep a beady eye on the rev counter, your ear is telling you that it's not time to change up yet and you end up driving around in too low a gear. Actually, the torque lets you short shift without problem and when you do, the economy improves.
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