General Winter Tyres Questions

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General Winter Tyres Questions

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A request first of all .... I am posting this thread to get some advice, I really dont want it turning into a "I'm such a good driver I don't need winter tyres" or "Why are you buying winter tyres when the weather here doesn't require them" - I have read the very very long Winter Tyres thread last year and that was spoilt by such exchanges ...

First some background info ...
Last year I bought a set of 15" alloys, to replace the 14"steel wheels I had - I have been running on the 15" since then, and both the 14" and 15" wheels have approx 4mm tread left

Now I realise its only August .. but I need to try and decide whether I want my winter tyres on the 15" alloys, or the 14" steel wheels - but rather than just choice blindly - I wanted to try and get other people opinions - on whether they think winter tyres are better suited for smaller rims or the (slightly) larger 15" alloy.

I remember someone saying that skinny tyres are good for winter - but cant recall the details.

This way I can put the 14" steel wheels back on and let them run until Oct/Nov when I get new winter tyres.

Also have people tried different width/height on winter tyres when compared to their normal summer tyres

Thanks in advance for any assistance
 
If this is not going too far off topic, can those who have used winter tyres comment on how much difference it makes? My wife, who is of a nervous disposition, insists on having a 4 wheel drive for the one week of the year when there is snow in Hertfordshire. I have suggested getting a pair of snow chains or winter tyres instead but she is yet to be convinced.

All this comes from getting well and truly stuck in about 4 inches of snow in a rear wheel drive Mercedes C320 a few years back.

I have never used either chains or winter tyres, so I cannot tell her from personal experience that these would solve her problems and avoid the need to lug around 2.5 tonnes of 4x4 unnecessarily for the other 51 weeks of the year.

I'd love to hear informed views.
 
I'M SURE 206MAXI WILL BE ALONG SOON........

He can smell a winter tyre thread from another continent.:p

Hmph :p

I've just spent the last 2 hours or so putting some new wheels on the wifes car in preparation for getting the standard wheels fitted with winter tyres when the weather starts to get frosty.

Prepare for an essay.

Specs for winter tyres are as follows (this is from memory btw! and I'm not kidding.....)

175/65 R14 82Q
185/55 R15 82Q
There is a 16" option but that's just silly really....


In practice you'll probably end up with T or H rates which are rated higher and are absolutely fine.

The choice for the OP is an absolute no-brainer, put the winter tyres on the 14" rims. Part of the reason I've got winter tyres is to save my nice 16" multispokes from the nasty salt on the roads. In snow a narrower tyre like that on the 14" rim will perform better anyway.

Now for my experience. I did a touch under 3k miles on my winter tyres earlier this year and they were fantastic. Can't remember the date but RobW organised a meet with some 500 owners and Clubcento at RAF Cosford. Now the night before we'd have a nice whack of snow and the roads were very slushy but the 500 felt hardly any different to driving in the rain on summer tyres. I was in quite a hurry to get to Cosford as I'd left a little late and I was overtaking people in the slushly lane on the dual carriageway going uphill doing about 60 whilst the clear(ish) lane was doing about 40, some cars did try to follow me but you could see them struggling to put their power down and just going nowhere. The tyres were just fantastic and if not for them I'd have been in the slow lane with everyone else.

There was also one occasion when they saved me from having an accident. I went round a corner and some dozey old coffindodger just pulled out in front of me on a fairly cold day when the roads were a bit damp. Stamped on the brakes and I pulled up with a bit of room to spare. I'm pretty sure that if I had the summer tyres on that would have been an accident or a very very near miss.

On ice and snow the grip is really good. It's not like driving around in summer on summer tyres, but it's much better and I'd say braking distances are probably halved at the very least on proper sheet ice. When pulling away with summer tyres the 500 would just spin its wheels, with winter tyres on there was still a little bit of wheelspin but it was miles better. I would say that traction in the snow was about equal to that of our AWD Subaru which is high praise. Handling and braking were much better than the Subaru as AWD doesn't help with cornering or braking at all.

Even just on dry days when it was merely cold rather than snowy or icy the handling, braking and traction were noticeably better than summer tyres. Even my wife - who tonight said there's little/no difference between the knackered Falken's that were on the front of her Subaru and the brand new Vredestein Sportrac 3's we put on tonight when there clearly is - noticed the difference and mentioned it to me hence which I'm being allowed to put winter tyres on her Subaru. So RobinPJ that may be of help to your wife :)

They just work m'kay? Sure you could get by without them and people have done and will continue to do so? But who here wants to be safer in their car? Who here likes the idea of a car that pulls up shorter than it did before? Who likes the idea of their alloys not getting knackered by salt?

Sure it's an outlay, BUT whilst you're spending money on new tyres, you're saving wear on your summer tyres (summer tyres wear more in winter than in summer) which are usually more expensive than winter tyres, you'll save yourself an alloy refurb, if your winter tyres are narrower than the summer ones you'll save money on fuel and how much is your excess if you put it into a wall/car/child etc etc?

My other but of advice is to leave it as late as possible and order from www.mytyres.co.uk who are based in Germany and I'll explain why. Tyres harden/degrade as they get older so you want tyres which are as new as possible and I doubt that any of the tyres currently in stock in the UK are "fresh" ones. You're not going to die if you get last years tyres but they will be better, hands up who sees milk with a better use by date and takes the older stuff still? ;)

As for what tyres to get. The Vredestein Snowtrac 3's I bought were top of the class in the ADAC tests last year as were the Conti range, Goodyear Ultragrip 7+'s did well and Nokian's are usually worth a lookin as well. Think I might try some Nokian's, Bridgestones or the Goodyear's on the wifes car

Pics of the Snowtrac 3's compared to my summer tyres here
http://members.iinet.net/~fenix1983/Files/500/Wintertyres/

I hope this helps anyone considering winter tyres to make their decision.
 
Thanks for the "essay" maxi ... was exactly the info I was after

many thanks - will pop the original 14" wheel's back on and wear them down before putting the winter tyres on in a couple of months .. will probably go for the Vredestein Sportrac 3

Thanks again
 
Hey Maxi, as much as i hate all this winter tyre talk crap, I'm going to ask you anyway, what would you recommend for me over the winter on the A500? 205/40/R17, I'm due 4 tyres (my 14th tyres so far!) but if they're noisy or sacrifice grip in the dry then I'm not interested.
 
Hey Maxi, as much as i hate all this winter tyre talk crap, I'm going to ask you anyway, what would you recommend for me over the winter on the A500? 205/40/R17, I'm due 4 tyres (my 14th tyres so far!) but if they're noisy or sacrifice grip in the dry then I'm not interested.
Not trying to be funny but with the way you drive you'll go through a set of winters in a month or so. Winter tyres have better grip in the winter, if you treat them right.

There's a 16" option which is the 195/45 R16 which is expensive (£82 for Conti's) and the 17" option is even more expensive (cheapest decent tyre is £134).
 
Not trying to be funny but with the way you drive you'll go through a set of winters in a month or so. Winter tyres have better grip in the winter, if you treat them right.

There's a 16" option which is the 195/45 R16 which is expensive (£82 for Conti's) and the 17" option is even more expensive (cheapest decent tyre is £134).

Yea actually, i was thinking it over today and you're right, they probably wouldn't suit performance driving, and for the limited ice/snow/cold weather we get here, it would probably be a waste. Just a tad paranoid after my skiing incident in the A500 last year. Guess I'll just walk if the snow gets that bad again! (y)
 
Yea actually, i was thinking it over today and you're right, they probably wouldn't suit performance driving, and for the limited ice/snow/cold weather we get here, it would probably be a waste. Just a tad paranoid after my skiing incident in the A500 last year. Guess I'll just walk if the snow gets that bad again! (y)
Meh. You just need to change your driving style. In the summer the 500 is superb on the Potenza's it's wearing at the moment and I really don't need to brake all that much because it can just carry a tonne of speed through corners, in winter I could carry nearly as much speed but for the sake of the tyres I just drive that bit slower and am gentle with my inputs. Subaru's going to get winter shoes this year too, and the way it's driven is going to have to change. 200 horsies and a big whack of torque through 4 soft tyres isn't going to make for good tyre life if the throttle gets floored as it sometimes does these days.
 
Meh. You just need to change your driving style. In the summer the 500 is superb on the Potenza's it's wearing at the moment and I really don't need to brake all that much because it can just carry a tonne of speed through corners, in winter I could carry nearly as much speed but for the sake of the tyres I just drive that bit slower and am gentle with my inputs. Subaru's going to get winter shoes this year too, and the way it's driven is going to have to change. 200 horsies and a big whack of torque through 4 soft tyres isn't going to make for good tyre life if the throttle gets floored as it sometimes does these days.

Well after that, don't criticize me for mentioning the A500 all the time, or the way i drive it for that matter! :p :)

I'm going to buy anything but Pirellis again, had them for too long, even the paint on my sills/rear bumper is chipped in the shape of the tread pattern from the Pirellis! They do pick up every chipping and blast it onto the paint...
 
Well after that, don't criticize me for mentioning the A500 all the time, or the way i drive it for that matter! :p :)

I'm going to buy anything but Pirellis again, had them for too long, even the paint on my sills/rear bumper is chipped in the shape of the tread pattern from the Pirellis! They do pick up every chipping and blast it onto the paint...
There's driving fast and there's driving in a ragged manner and cooking tyres to the point where you use 10 in the same time as someone else barely wears theirs 30%....

The guy at work who has the Clio doesn't go through tyres quickly and he drives rather fast but he drives well and brakes in a straight line and never gets even a squeal out of the tyres on the road.
 
There's driving fast and there's driving in a ragged manner and cooking tyres to the point where you use 10 in the same time as someone else barely wears theirs 30%....

The guy at work who has the Clio doesn't go through tyres quickly and he drives rather fast but he drives well and brakes in a straight line and never gets even a squeal out of the tyres on the road.

Yea i appreciate that. I believe in getting my money's worth in a car though without pushing the limits and risking too much. Every car has different abilities too, so where as your Clio owning friend might take a bend without tyre noise, the A500 might be 4 wheel drifting and squealing like a pig! All part of the fun imo ;)
 
Yea actually, i was thinking it over today and you're right, they probably wouldn't suit performance driving, and for the limited ice/snow/cold weather we get here, it would probably be a waste. Just a tad paranoid after my skiing incident in the A500 last year. Guess I'll just walk if the snow gets that bad again! (y)

winter tyres absolutely DO suit performance driving and most of the timne you can drive in the same way as summer (y)

right tyre for the conditions simple as that
 
winter tyres absolutely DO suit performance driving and most of the timne you can drive in the same way as summer (y)

right tyre for the conditions simple as that

The problem is though that they do need to be taken care of just a little and if you're the sort of person that's on their third and a half set of tyres in 20,000 or so miles then they're not going to be treated gently of are they :rolleyes:

Better off on summer tyres than knackered winter tyres.....
 
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