General 500 Twin Air 900cc coming?

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General 500 Twin Air 900cc coming?

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I was about to order a 1.2 Lounge but heard rumours of a new, more efficient, engine coming - a 900cc twin cylinder - possibly as early as July. Supposedly 15% less fuel and more power than a trad 8 valve 1.2.

Can anyone confirm (a) how much of this might be true; (b) any reports on how smooth (or not) the engine is; and (c) price - whether it will replace the current 1.2 or be a higher priced alternative?

Thanks for any help!
 
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FGAUK announced to the dealer network on Friday that the TwinAir will be launched in September (in that production starts then, so expect to see first deliveries late September/early October) and will be in addition to the current engine line-up.

Only one version will be available, 900cc twin-cylinder turbo-charged developing 85BHP and 95 g/km CO2.

No mention yet of pricing.
 
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I worry about the pricing. For all intents and purposes the twinair is just about as good as the diesel in terms of economy, power and acceleration. They're going to price it high aren't they.....
 
They're going to price it high aren't they.....

Almost certainly.

The only reason I can think of for announcing the launch and full specifications but not pricing is that it is going to be expensive and they are hoping to generate so much interest that when some do back out of buying one due to the price they still have plenty of people to place orders.
 
Almost certainly.

The only reason I can think of for announcing the launch and full specifications but not pricing is that it is going to be expensive and they are hoping to generate so much interest that when some do back out of buying one due to the price they still have plenty of people to place orders.

Which is silly but I guess so far they've been able to sell 500's by the bucketload. Shame for myself really. Although the depreciation would hurt I think it'd be a decent longterm proposition for someone like me to offload a year old car which hasn't yet had to have a service, has a year of stone chips etc etc and a decent whack more economy and a bit more performance.
 
According to the spec sheet you posted, it's referring to a 85 HP twin air, no mention of the Turbo version? You said there was a n/a version with 65 HP and a turbo with just over 100 HP, but the one shown is in the middle HP wise!?

Is this replacing the 1.2 or will the 1.2 still be sold?
 
According to the spec sheet you posted, it's referring to a 85 HP twin air, no mention of the Turbo version? You said there was a n/a version with 65 HP and a turbo with just over 100 HP, but the one shown is in the middle HP wise!?

Is this replacing the 1.2 or will the 1.2 still be sold?

Actually I said that, and I was going on quite out of date info ;)
 
The 85hp is a turbo too, just offering lower power than the 105.

This engine will be lighter than the Diesel; it comes in under the 100g/km threshold for tax, which the Fiat Diesel doesn't - why not when the same engine in the Corsa does! - and petrol is cheaper than Diesel fuel, so overall it will be cheaper to run and better handling, with practically identical performance to the Diesel. In fact, looking at the figures, to all intents and purposes it supersedes the 1.2, the 1.4 and the 1.3 Diesel 95. It will be lighter, cheaper to run and better handling than all of them.

Fiat's long term plan is to completely replace the 1.2 four with the twin-air engine, and it will also appear in next year's new Panda and Uno, if the Uno comes to Europe.

However, just as the twin-air head technology is taking forever to replace the traditional valve actuation in all Fiat's petrol and Diesel engines, so it seems the company will take a long time to completely replace the small fours by the twin. But they will do this.

Which gives them pricing problems. The twin will be a better engine than the current 1.2, but if it is priced the same nobody will buy the 1.2, so Fiat will probably price it higher, but not as high as the Diesel 95, which by then will probably have had its CO2 reduced to under 100g/km and so incur no tax. Where the 1.4 fits in with all this I have no idea?

In two years time the 500 gets the lightened, strengthened chassis that the American version will get in 2011, and by then the new Panda will also have arrived, also on this (lengthened for it) chassis and with the twin engine.

The Panda is Fiat's bread and butter cheap small car and has to be priced low.

It will be interesting to see what they do. And don't forget, the Punto and Mito will get the twin cylinder engine too at some stage.
 
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According to the spec sheet you posted, it's referring to a 85 HP twin air, no mention of the Turbo version? You said there was a n/a version with 65 HP and a turbo with just over 100 HP, but the one shown is in the middle HP wise!?

Is this replacing the 1.2 or will the 1.2 still be sold?

Did you actually read my post? :confused:

"Only one version will be available, 900cc twin-cylinder turbo-charged developing 85BHP and 95 g/km CO2."

"...the TwinAir will be launched in September...and will be in addition to the current engine line-up."

Both of your questions have already been answered!
 
The OP asked how smooth it was.

The only test I have read was by an American who said that it had an unusual thrum, but was very smooth. What you'd expect from any decent twin then. It was also quiet and fast (the 85).

I have been told that the reason this engine has taken so long to arrive - we first heard of it ten years ago - is that Fiat has had to work hard on robustness and refinement.

The 900cc twin is a modular spin off derived from the new 1800cc engine found in the new Giulietta. Obviously The twin has a web of balance shafts etc. which add weight and mean that it is only about 10% lighter than the 1.4, but every little helps. The forthcoming 64hp version is intended to be used in some formats with a hybrid version incorporating a charger and battery unit. This drive-train may be used for much larger cars.
 
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