General 500s in Belgium... the controversy.

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General 500s in Belgium... the controversy.

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Hi everybody,

Just wanted to know if some of you were worried about the massive controversy about the 500 in Belgium, did some of you have a chat with your garage or someone "in the know"?
What is your opinion about it?

The Belgian government and Fiat themselves are now involved!
 
Something to do with the rear not passing part of Belgiums's MOT test.

edit: Seems they bounce the car about and the rear needs to stay in contact with the rig for a minimum of 20% the time. The 500 being rear-light must be bouncing too high.
 
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Sorry mate.
Basically, one out of two (yep, 50 %!) of 500s in Belgium have failed the MOT there!
Looks like the back suspensions are at fault as the car doesn't stick to the road. Now Fiat say that those tests in Belgium are obsolete, but no side wants to back down on whose fault it is.

If your french is good enough, read (and listen) here: (link doesn't work)

Another article on what and who to believe: (again, link doesn't work before my 5th post! :bang: )

Im surprised the UK media haven't relayed that info.....

NB: MOT in Belgium is compulsory whenever you want to sell your car as soon as you own it, there is no 3 year wait.
 
I think if the test was actually of any use we'd already have heard of lots of 500s going into the barriers rear-end first.

As that's not happening, it seems the Belgian test is a bucket of horse testicles.


i nearly put mine into the barriers at the 'ring when the rear let go but I caught the slide and then the ESP took over

and that was with uprated suspension!
 
it seems the Belgian test is a bucket of horse testicles.

Love your poetry! :D
Looks like it is, still it is surprising that the 500 is the only car with that many failures, there had been failure with dodgy south korean cars, but not to that scale!
There are conspiracies about people wishing Fiat not that well..... :nono:
Some jealous of that success?
 
On other forums some suggest to load the boot with sandbags and bingo! :chin:
 
translated with google

The problem is troublesome for those who have cracked the boil for the little Fiat 500 and who wish to resell it in hand: the cute Italian fails to turn over control technique. More precisely when testing Eusama which monitors the effectiveness of shock and therefore adherence to the road.

"It can be dangerous"

Last week, the technical services of Goca, the inspection body, still carrying out tests on a score of cars and, once both the Fiat 500 has failed, with some 0.00% of contact rig 'test. What owners worry about the safety of this car? "In certain circumstances the most Defares, this can actually be dangerous," we said a technician control.

On the side of the importer, it is argued that this is not the security model that is in question, but it is a "problem of data interpretation. This test is mandatory since the 90s in Belgium and is not practiced in the European homologation of the car, "no longer reflects the reality of automotive technologies that have evolved," says Dominique Fontignies spokesman trademark.

In no country other than Belgium, the problem exists, note the importer. To prove their point, leaders from Fiat even invited in February, representatives of the department, and IBSR Goca the test center mark at Balocco. Following this visit, they got a waiver so that the car can pass the technical inspection, time to settle the case. But that exemption expired on 1 July 2009.

Déglonfler tires

In fact, it's not just for the Fiat 500 that the test Eusama problem arises. Other small cars small, European and Asian, fails, does confirm there at Goca. Especially because the manufacturers on issues of standards of consumption, place on the car market with highly inflated tires (over 2 bars). And even bigger cars, fitted with sports tires size or low tire "RUNFLAT (rolling after a puncture) may for similar reasons do not reach 20% of tire grip required when testing Eusama.

One of the tips allowed control technique is to facilitate the test, reduce the pressure until the minimum allowed by the manufacturer (1.6 bar). For cars with a minimum load on the rear axle is less than 300kg (which is not the case with the Fiat 500), it is also allowed to seat a passenger in the back seat. Even put a sandbag in the trunk.

We thus arrive at the paradoxical situation where cars pass technical inspection in conditions that are not those of their daily use, when you drive alone frequently, preferably with tires properly inflated. Would it be better to simply adapt the test Eusama? A meeting between officials of Fiat and the FPS Mobility is scheduled on Wednesday but it is likely that the test itself will not be questioned.

The case caused a stir and even the TV news has addressed this matter: the Fiat 500 does not pass the technical inspection! Fiat and Control Technique to reject the ball! But meanwhile, the new course does not include cases of Fiat owners or merchants Fiat 500. So who should we believe?

50% success

According to figures from the GOCA, the results are not very bright: half of the Fiat 500 is realigned to test adhesion. Thus, the rate of adhesion should be greater than or equal to 20% and the pot of yoghurt trans happens sometimes ... 0%! In short, red card for small chip?

Perfectly safe!

No, no red cards. The fact is that there is in Belgium that the Fiat 500 is realigned. Enough to ask some questions ... Moreover, Fiat Belgio recalls that the little chip has received five stars in safety tests of EuroNCAP. And yours truly, have tried to model, confirms the good road abilities of the small chip!

So who should we believe?

The problem is known and yours truly has already paid the price a few years ago! The very small cars tend to skip the butt on vibrating plates which constitute the test question. However there is a remedy: adding to the back! Please then select heavyweights Staff Technical Control and have them sit in the trunk! For my part, having been failed by the most radical way possible with a Citroen AX, I opted for a pack of very heavy ... washing powder! A Fiat and GOCA to find a compromise to avoid a collapse of sales!
 
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Not exactly day to day driving though is it :D :p (God I miss the ring this year.. must try harder to go next year)

no but when i got the car with normal suspension and 15"s the rear was very lively on a particular roundabout in Bracknell where the surface is broken/uneven
so there is an inherent instability that Fiat are aware of and have addressed in later models
 
:wave: Not a 500 driver but a regular on the Forum here... I'm pretty sure there have been Posts on here about the perceived "lightness" of the 500 rear end under braking conditions? I'm sure I didnt dream it, no smoke without fire but as I said I dont own or drive a 500.

* Closes the door on the way out...

Posts #13 & 38 in here at a quick glance... but I'm sure there was a Thread devoted to it...

https://www.fiatforum.com/500/200490-how-fun-500-drive-3.html

And this discussion too

https://www.fiatforum.com/500/152030-bouncy-suspension.html
 
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