(G) 500 Abarth Asetto Corse

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2008/moto...arth/1405.html

Nice car and such a cool event to be showing it off on

Im really liking the white rally wheels... very nice.

Superturismo's are probably the only wheels that will look good on just about any car. Superturismo WRC's like the ones fitted to this car just never quite look right on a road car IMO. Superturismo GT's though look excellent

A man of taste.

I've got 18"s on order.

Now that's more like it...... http://italiaspeed.com/

i want one

Hmmmm

I would very much like the engine. I wonder how different the Abarth 1.4 is internally from the N/A version? Different rods, pistons, maybe sodium-cooled valves, perhaps?

John

Different compression ratio as well I'd think and the turbo of course. I think you'd be looking at serious money to get a standard 1.4 up to 200bhp.

Yes. The compression ratio can be lower on the turbo because we have boost above one atmosphere. Also, because of the boost, we don't need such a big valve overlap at high rpms, so the the cam profile is probably different too. On the other hand, stress on the bottom end of the engine is much higher as we have more torque at low rpms, so perhaps a stiffer or nitrided crankshaft might also be required. 200 bhp is a very good output for a 1368cc engine, but getting rid of the heat from such a small engine bay must be tricky.

John

The compression of the turbo engine is 9.8:1, which is quite a bit lower than the N/as.

The pistons, crank and conrods are different in the turbos. But the engine spec is none other than what will be the GTA version of the Alfa Mito.

The engine is the same as the Abarth SS engine and wil set you back 3290 + VAT.

Are you sure about that? Most sources say the GTA will have a 1.8l Turbo. Also the Abarth SS 500 will probably be the multiair 1.4 with 165bhp and not 200.

Edit: Scrap that. The Mito WILL have a 1.8 turbo. Just a question of whether it will be a 200bhp one or a 230bhp one.

Where has Fiat confirmed the 1.8?

The part numbers for the GP T-Jet is the same as the Bravo T-120, Bravo T-150, for the Abarth and SS GP and 500.

The 500 SS isn't going to have 200bhp so it's not going to be the same engine as such. Fiat aren't going to put a more powerful engine in the 500 SS and leave the GP SS with 20 less HP. It just aint gonna happen.

Fiat hasn't really confirmed any engines for the Mito to be honest. It's the same with all car releases. It won't be there at launch though as the engine isn't ready yet. Fiat is going to have modular engines in the future based on a 450cc cylinder. The 900cc NA and turbocharged engines will replace the 1.2 and 1.4 NA engines respectively across the range. There will be a 1.8 based on this architecture which will be lots of things. Bravo, Mito, Spider, Brera, 159 and 149 in turbo and NA forms.

I'll gladly put £5 down on the table and say that there will be a 1.8l Turbo GTA.

Where did I claim that the 500 SS has got 200bhp?

Whether the power is 165 or 200bhp does not change that the engines are the same.

And a number of éngines have been confirmed.

Whether the 1368 will be replaced by a 900 engine isn't confirmed either. What is confirmed is that the 1368 will loose eventually the inlet cam.

Not to be rude but you're a bit out of touch with the news side of things

The 900cc engine fits in very conveniently with the current range as it's got more power than the 1.4 as well as being more fuel efficient and will be more economical than the 1.2 without losing performance.

Again I'll put £5 on the table and say that c.2010 the 1.4 na and 1.2 engines will disappear from the range.
http://www.fiat.co.uk/Content/?id=10857
There's very little point in developing these engines and having them be all efficient and powerful if you're not going to put them in anything. 500's will even get stop start technology to make them a bit more efficient in traffic too. The new modular arcitecture is win win for Fiat. cheaper to manufacture and with better CO2 emmisions and MPG figures it's going to help sell their cars.

I was a little wrong about Alfa Romeo not confirming any engines. They have mentioned the 1.4 in passing but no big statement with a lineup of engines as this will be done at the launch in June. There is some confusion as to what diesels will launch with the car. Some say it'll be the 1.3 Multijet and some say the 1.6 similar to what's in the Bravo.

P.S You said that the engine was going to be the same. Perhaps mechanically it will be but you can understand when someone like myself calls an engine that develops a different amount of power to be a different engine.