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interesting about the GP, I tried a couple, 1.4 and 1.9 sporting and both bored me to tears...
:doh: Just goes to show u cant please everyone all the time!
interesting about the GP, I tried a couple, 1.4 and 1.9 sporting and both bored me to tears...
Just translated Italian terminology. It definitely is a turbo!Exactly each to there own
in my eyes the extra you get from the derv is not worth the extra outlay.
p/s to my understanding the 1.3mjet isn't turbo'd it's actualy supercharged (acording to the fiat 500 brochure)
don't realy do 50-70 in a city enviroment but drop to forth and it will stay with the diesel, plus re-mapping will use a bit more fuel bringing it closer to the 1.2 in terms of economy and IF discounts start and fiat say they won't be then the 1.2 price will also be discountedThe 1.3 is turbocharged - it uses a variable vane turbo - the blades of the turbo basically change angle to give good response across the rev range (fixed blades mean soem turbo lag). The mjet can be remapped for £200 to 100bhp which turns it into something a 1.2 will never be, and increases the onroad performance gap even more.
Stick your 1.2 in top gear at 50mph and see how long it takes to get to 70 - i bet you are still counting at 15 seconds.
As to the emissions i'd forgotten the 1.2 also scrapes into the £35 band - it doesn't on the Punto.
Each to their own - a 1.2 now, or a 1.3 for the same money in 3-4 months time (once the discounts start) - easy decision in my opinion
plus re-mapping will use a bit more fuel bringing it closer to the 1.2 in terms of economy
I asked Mangoletsi about discounts in a few months time, and there was a wink fom the saleman.
Remapping a mjet will get you more mpg, because you get more power where you want it, and therfore use less throttle !
Sorry but no way will any 1.2 keep up with the diesel - its got less bhp, the peak bhp is higher up in the rev range, and no torque. The diesel revs more freely so tyou can't even say its slow to pick up revs - Drive the diesel and you'll find out for yourself - that speedo needle is a lot further round the dial than you think !
I'm not buying either so i'm completely impartial in all this
The improvements in diesles has been outstanding, however, the characteristics of diesels versus petrols is now what differentiates them rather than performance and quite different driving styles.For as much as I love petrol engines - they've not really advanced much compared to the huge improvements in diesel technology. The 1.9 lump has gone from around 100hp for the Bravo TD of the 1990s to what will be nearly 200bhp for the anticipated bi-turbo multijet - all the time improving on sound and ecconomy. What do you get out of a 2.0 petrol now? Wasn't much more than the 150bhp available at the time of the Bravo.
Straighten facts time.
1.2 is not the same engine found in the Panda or GP completely different head.
Salesman doesn't know what Fiat are doing with the prices in a few months.
1.3 is faster but the difference is minimal. Although the diesel will feel much faster just because of the way they deliver their power.
Fuel economy. Using the cheapest fuel stations around my area.
petrol £1.03 Diesel £1.10
Price difference between cars £1400
Fuel economy on the combined stat. 1.2 55.4MPG 1.3 67.3MPG
Now 4.55 litres in a gallon. so with a 7P per litre difference in the price of the more economical fuel. We need to save £1400 pounds in fuel for the premium of the diesel to break even.
Excuse my maths here.
10,000 miles will use 821.7 litres of fuel in the petrol costing £846.35
10,000 miles will use 676.13 litres of fuel in the diesel costing £743.74
so for every 10,000 miles you claw back £102.61
so the £1400 pounds difference is divided up by the 10,000 mile difference to give the amount of 10,000 chunks you would need to complete before you break even. which is 13.64 so this times 10,000 will give you the mileage you need to do to break even.
136,438 miles then after that diesel is cheaper.
Feel free to correct my maths I know I'm rubbish at it.